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I've read that the original cut of the film was quite different as well. I mentioned this to Gene Kelly's widow Patricia Ward Kelly on her FB fan site and she said she planned to cover that in her forthcoming biography of Gene.

Apparently they changed just about every musical number with the exception of "Nina" and the "Pirate Ballet."

"Mack the Black" was originally slated to open the film as Manuela (Judy) sings it to the girls on the veranda. I don't know if this was the notorious Kay Thompson arrangement or if it was re-arranged for filming, but you can still see a snippet of this in the original trailer. There's a suspicious cut in the final film where the song should have gone.

They moved "Mack" to where it currently is because the original song for THAT scene, "Voodoo" (a song and dance duet with Gene Kelly) had to go. They staged and shot it twice before finally giving up on it and if the recording that still exists on the soundtrack is any indication, it's no wonder! They needed more Judy in the movie so they gave her a solo spot which worked out as it should as it's been reported Gene Kelly had a broken ankle during re-shoots and couldn't really get around without pain. He had to sit on the sidelines to cover it.

Freed cut Judy's solo, "Love of My Life," from earlier in the film (we still hear the reprise right before the end) which Manuela originally sang right before Kelly "invades" the town. In the final cut, she pulls a hatbox out of her closet that contains the limp, ruined hat she wore when she first met "Mack" but that originally led into her singing the solo

"You Can Do No Wrong" was originally in the same scene that it currently appears but was placed a little earlier and was staged as an ironic, comic song in which Manuela mocks "Mack." Realizing they didn't have a "love song" between the two anywhere in the picture, they decided to re-shoot it as a traditional love song that is not ironic. Again, because of Kelly's broken ankle in the re-shoots, it's convenient that she sings it while cradling him in her arms since he couldn't really walk around that well.

I don't THINK Judy was originally supposed to join Kelly for "Be a Clown" but the decision to add her was obviously made during the original shoot because Gene Kelly seems hale and hearty throughout!
 
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I used to see it at the Regency and it certainly was eye popping. It was one of the reason I started disliking new movies in the 70s. Contemporary films looked so washed out. So when people complain about those film transfers today looking washed out or soft I'm like but that's exactly the way they looked when they were new!
 

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I’ll buy this 1948 flick of “The Pirate” without a hitch; but in staying with the year, hope that WAC will soon throw in a “Johnny Belinda”. Quick plug, I know; but I had to grab at any scant excuse and 1948, alone, seemed good enough for me.:)

And now, back to Judy and Gene.:cool:
 

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I used to see it at the Regency and it certainly was eye popping.

The days of revivals at the Regency are legend!! I never got to go but people still talk about it even though it's been gone since 1999! Jealous!!

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The Regency was one of New York's greatest pleasures for a movie lover in the 70s and 80s. The most popular movies were events with lines stretching both north and south Broadway. It might have been an old run down west side cinema but it was run with a lot of love and God bless Frank Rowley wherever he may be. One of the people who made New York a great city in a way it hasn't been since.
 

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The days of revivals at the Regency are legend!! I never got to go but people still talk about it even though it's been gone since 1999! Jealous!!

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At one point, my friend Mort managed it and I got in for free! I also got in gratis at the Carnegie Hall Cinema and Bleecker Street Cinema because my friend Larry managed both (also borrowed 16mm prints after they played the day's run and took them home for private screenings). Alas, I left the city in 1988...
 

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Yes the Carnegie Hall Cinema! Another great place for New Yorkers. Even for the day it was more than affordable. Every day a different double bill. And I loved the old ornate mini opera house interior. I believe that was destroyed to make into a modern recital hall. What a bummer.

The Regency played mostly old Hollywood studio product and the Carnegie more European and art house fair though they overlapped.
I went once to Bleeker Street only because I spent so little time downtown. It was an old Italian film called Noi Vivi with Alida and Rossano(like the best looking couple ever?) and based on Ayn Rand! It had a long run there. Strangely I never saw it advertised again at any revival house and I remember it being a terrific film. If it did play again somewhere I must have missed it.
 
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Amazon issued me a refund because my December 2nd shipment never arrived. That was until today as it magically appeared out of the USPS abyss to my mail box. Luckily, I decided not to reorder my missing BD until after the holidays.
 

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Well, his "Theme from Valley of the Dolls" was a million seller for Dionne Warwick, so he had at least one.
Wiki says not so fast ...
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Her follow-up to "I Say a Little Prayer", "(Theme from) Valley of the Dolls", was unusual in several respects. It was not written by Burt Bacharach and Hal David; it was the "B" side of her "I Say a Little Prayer" single, and it was a song that she almost did not record. While the film version of Valley of the Dolls was being made, actress Barbara Parkins suggested that Warwick be considered to sing the film's theme song, written by songwriting team André and Dory Previn. The song was to be recorded by Judy Garland, who was subsequently fired from the film. Warwick performed the song, and when the film became a success in the early weeks of 1968, disc jockeys flipped the single and made the single one of the biggest double-sided hits of the rock era and another million seller. At the time, RIAA rules allowed only one side of a double-sided hit single to be certified as gold, but Scepter awarded Warwick an "in-house award" to recognize "(Theme from) Valley of the Dolls" as a million selling tune.[citation needed]

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Warwick had re-recorded a Pat Williams-arranged version of the theme at A&R Studios in New York because contractual restrictions with her label would not allow the Warwick version from the film to be included on the 20th Century Fox soundtrack LP, and reverse legal restrictions would not allow the film version to be used anyplace else in a commercial LP. The LP Dionne Warwick in Valley of the Dolls, released in early 1968 and containing the re-recorded version of the movie theme (#2 for weeks), "Do You Know the Way to San Jose?" and several new Bacharach-David compositions, hit the #6 position on the Billboard album chart and would remain on the chart for over a year. The film soundtrack LP, without Warwick vocals, failed to impress the public, while Dionne Warwick in Valley of the Dolls earned an RIAA Gold certification.[citation needed]"

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Thanks for sharing that information about Warwick and the theme from Valley of the Dolls. I had no idea when I bought and played the soundtrack LP that it was Dory Previn singing versions of the theme and not Dionne. It may not have sold enough for a gold record, but I played that soundtrack LP all the time!
 
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This does raise the question, how can you buy only one side of a 45? LOL
It's called a CD (or Mini-CD) :cool: ....

It was a fairly common practice to have a B-side sell more than the A-Side and I remember re-buying the same 45 RPM because of it.

I'm not sure when it started, but at least sometime before 1978 record labels were sending out A-Sides only with one side being Monaural and the B-Side being the same song in Stereoral to radio stations :cool: ...
 

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I yield to no one in my regard for Dionne Warwick, but why is no one commenting on this Blu-Ray? I got my copy on December 16th from my local bricks and mortar retailer Videomatica in Vancouver, and it became the single exception to my all-Christmas viewing in December (sorry, "Tenet"). I only wanted to take a quick peek to see if the transfer was as good as I'd heard it was, but my pleasure was so immediate and intense that I watched the whole thing.
 

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