Mario_C
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While reading the updated (Aug 2001) article on Dialnorm from Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity, I came across the following:
quote: A common criticism is that Dialogue Normalization "normally" reduces the level of the soundtrack by about 4 dB.* Reduces it as compared to what? You have to compare it to something else first, and then the question becomes:* is the Dolby Digital soundtrack 4 dB too low, or is the other material 4 dB too high?** Follow me on this one.
A lot of home theater enthusiasts are concerned with what is called "reference level playback". *In a nutshell, you use test-tones (as may be found on such DVDs as AVIA) to set the volume to the same standard levels used in cinemas (a.k.a.: loud!).* The reason to do this is to hear the soundtrack at the level the movie makers intended.* A concern naturally arises that if volume is being altered by Dialnorm, the sound engineer's vision is compromised.* Reference level playback is in practice very very loud in the relatively small acoustic spaces of home, and we must caution you against it at this point.* Not only do most find it uncomfortably loud, but as we noted in our article explaining the LFE channel, it can quickly bring a subwoofer to its knees.* But for the record, let's press on.
The default power-on setting for Dialnorm on Dolby's professional AC-3 encoder, the DP569, is -27 because as we noted, that value is a perfect fit for movie soundtracks.* True, this value calls for your decoder to attenuate its output by 4 dB.* Fact is, the two most common reference DVDs, Video Essentials and AVIA, were encoded with the same -27 Dialnorm value, so their test noises are also being attenuated by 4 dB, making them a perfect reference for Dolby Digital movies.* If you've set-up a system with either of these tools, then any movie you play will not be "reduced" by 4 dB as compared to the reference.
DTS soundtracks, unlike Dolby Digital, are not attenuated by 4 dB by your decoder.* This means that if you've set up your system using AVIA or Video Essentials, the DTS soundtrack is actually going to play 4 dB too high.* Yes, that's right.* You read it here:* On a system calibrated for reference level playback with Video Essentials or AVIA, DTS soundtracks play 4 dB too loud.* Conversely (and to be fair), if you set up a system using DTS test noise, the Dolby Digital soundtrack will be 4 dB too low.* Yet what is important here, and what I really want you to take away from this, is that regardless of what actual level you watch a movie at, relative to one another, there exists this 4 dB difference between DTS and Dolby Digital movie soundtracks played over consumer equipment.* If at any time you are comparing soundtracks, you must turn your volume down when listening to the DTS track and/or raise it when listening to the Dolby Digital track (as the case may be) in order to hear the same level from both.
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I just thought people who use Avia or Video Essentials to calibrate their speakers should know about this. I use "The Ultimate DVD Platinum" It has speaker calibration test tones in PCM stereo, Dolby stereo, Dolby Surround, Dolby Digital 5.1, and DTS 5.1. I have compared these test tones and there are all at the same levels.
I do want to pick up a copy of Avia for monitor calbration or the new Digital Video Essentials. There taking pre-orders at Amazon.com
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[Edited last by Mario_C on September 10, 2001 at 04:48 PM]
quote: A common criticism is that Dialogue Normalization "normally" reduces the level of the soundtrack by about 4 dB.* Reduces it as compared to what? You have to compare it to something else first, and then the question becomes:* is the Dolby Digital soundtrack 4 dB too low, or is the other material 4 dB too high?** Follow me on this one.
A lot of home theater enthusiasts are concerned with what is called "reference level playback". *In a nutshell, you use test-tones (as may be found on such DVDs as AVIA) to set the volume to the same standard levels used in cinemas (a.k.a.: loud!).* The reason to do this is to hear the soundtrack at the level the movie makers intended.* A concern naturally arises that if volume is being altered by Dialnorm, the sound engineer's vision is compromised.* Reference level playback is in practice very very loud in the relatively small acoustic spaces of home, and we must caution you against it at this point.* Not only do most find it uncomfortably loud, but as we noted in our article explaining the LFE channel, it can quickly bring a subwoofer to its knees.* But for the record, let's press on.
The default power-on setting for Dialnorm on Dolby's professional AC-3 encoder, the DP569, is -27 because as we noted, that value is a perfect fit for movie soundtracks.* True, this value calls for your decoder to attenuate its output by 4 dB.* Fact is, the two most common reference DVDs, Video Essentials and AVIA, were encoded with the same -27 Dialnorm value, so their test noises are also being attenuated by 4 dB, making them a perfect reference for Dolby Digital movies.* If you've set-up a system with either of these tools, then any movie you play will not be "reduced" by 4 dB as compared to the reference.
DTS soundtracks, unlike Dolby Digital, are not attenuated by 4 dB by your decoder.* This means that if you've set up your system using AVIA or Video Essentials, the DTS soundtrack is actually going to play 4 dB too high.* Yes, that's right.* You read it here:* On a system calibrated for reference level playback with Video Essentials or AVIA, DTS soundtracks play 4 dB too loud.* Conversely (and to be fair), if you set up a system using DTS test noise, the Dolby Digital soundtrack will be 4 dB too low.* Yet what is important here, and what I really want you to take away from this, is that regardless of what actual level you watch a movie at, relative to one another, there exists this 4 dB difference between DTS and Dolby Digital movie soundtracks played over consumer equipment.* If at any time you are comparing soundtracks, you must turn your volume down when listening to the DTS track and/or raise it when listening to the Dolby Digital track (as the case may be) in order to hear the same level from both.
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I just thought people who use Avia or Video Essentials to calibrate their speakers should know about this. I use "The Ultimate DVD Platinum" It has speaker calibration test tones in PCM stereo, Dolby stereo, Dolby Surround, Dolby Digital 5.1, and DTS 5.1. I have compared these test tones and there are all at the same levels.
I do want to pick up a copy of Avia for monitor calbration or the new Digital Video Essentials. There taking pre-orders at Amazon.com
Here is the link to the article Link Removed
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[Edited last by Mario_C on September 10, 2001 at 04:48 PM]