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Sorry, but I'm getting a slightly different message here. Less than half the set reviewed and out of that six, three he's rated 3/5. And we still have some of the most problematic discs - according to Nick - to be assessed.
Now that's not terrible but it's not good either. It suggests that Uni have shoved this release out the door prematurely - most likely so they can sell this and get a few double-dips in before the bottom falls out of the packaged media market.
We also don't know whether anything's been "fixed" except for the FRENZY titles, so I don't know why we're being all congratulatory. Only Nick saw the check-discs and only he can say if anything's been altered.
RAH gives THE BIRDS a 5 whereas Nick found it problematic. Given that this was one of their 13 big remasters for this year, I very much doubt that they made any alterations. This leaves us with the disconcerting truth that all these views are subjective. We cling to RAH's assessments because we know and trust that he has specialist knowledge - we've all seen the spectacular results when he's allowed to do things his way. We respect and cherish his high standards but few of us - despite what some may like to think - have had our eyes opened to the same extent; and will be satisfied with less.
Nick we know less well, though we know he headed up a very respectable label. We got all worked up based on his blog comments and nothing else. I say this not to impugn his ability but merely to point out that - beneath a certain, very technical level of understanding - our views are entirely subjective; and above that point of specialisation, we are again into such a rarefied perspective that it may as well be subjective.
It seems to me that there are discs so bad, we can all agree on their lack of quality; and a hallowed few that are so good we can do likewise. But there's an immense grey area where all our personal peccadilloes, informed or not - even our personal histories - come into play.
It reinforces my feeling - which I am lucky enough to be able to afford - that one should just buy the discs you want, and trust in your own aesthetic. What distracts you from the film is bad, what does not is acceptable. Digital is not film, your home is not a cinema, the past is gone and profit always - always - comes before excellence.
 

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Originally Posted by Anthony Neilson /t/321703/ushe-announcement-alfred-hitchcock-the-masterpiece-collection-blu-ray/1320#post_3993031
your home is not a cinema, the past is gone and profit always - always - comes before excellence.

My home is to all intents and purposes a cinema and i agree with your last point.
 

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Anthony Neilson said:
Sorry, but I'm getting a slightly different message here. Less than half the set reviewed and out of that six, three he's rated 3/5. And we still have some of the most problematic discs - according to Nick - to be assessed.
Now that's not terrible but it's not good either. It suggests that Uni have shoved this release out the door prematurely - most likely so they can sell this and get a few double-dips in before the bottom falls out of the packaged media market.
We also don't know whether anything's been "fixed" except for the FRENZY titles, so I don't know why we're being all congratulatory. Only Nick saw the check-discs and only he can say if anything's been altered.
RAH gives THE BIRDS a 5 whereas Nick found it problematic. Given that this was one of their 13 big remasters for this year, I very much doubt that they made any alterations. This leaves us with the disconcerting truth that all these views are subjective. We cling to RAH's assessments because we know and trust that he has specialist knowledge - we've all seen the spectacular results when he's allowed to do things his way. We respect and cherish his high standards but few of us - despite what some may like to think - have had our eyes opened to the same extent; and will be satisfied with less.
Nick we know less well, though we know he headed up a very respectable label. We got all worked up based on his blog comments and nothing else. I say this not to impugn his ability but merely to point out that - beneath a certain, very technical level of understanding - our views are entirely subjective; and above that point of specialisation, we are again into such a rarefied perspective that it may as well be subjective.
It seems to me that there are discs so bad, we can all agree on their lack of quality; and a hallowed few that are so good we can do likewise. But there's an immense grey area where all our personal peccadilloes, informed or not - even our personal histories - come into play.
It reinforces my feeling - which I am lucky enough to be able to afford - that one should just buy the discs you want, and trust in your own aesthetic. What distracts you from the film is bad, what does not is acceptable. Digital is not film, your home is not a cinema, the past is gone and profit always - always - comes before excellence.
RAH's ratings will be lower than most of ours which is why I think most people will be happy with this box set. A 3 rating from RAH is usually .5 to a 1.0 more in my ratings and that's the only rating that counts in my HT.
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Robert Crawford said:
RAH's ratings will be lower than most of ours which is why I think most people will be happy with this box set. A 3 rating from RAH is usually .5 to a 1.0 more in my ratings and that's the only rating that counts in my HT.
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So THE BIRDS comes out of that pretty well then! :)
 

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Anthony Neilson said:
Sorry, but I'm getting a slightly different message here. Less than half the set reviewed and out of that six, three he's rated 3/5. And we still have some of the most problematic discs - according to Nick - to be assessed.
I thought The Birds, Marnie and Vertigo were the most problematic discs of real importance, aside from Frenzy's title issue. They've essentially been reviewed by Robert Harris as being in the clear, not withstanding his (understandably) higher personal standards. As for any discrepancy between what Nick has said as opposed to Mr Harris, yes we'll need confirmation from Nick on whether the discs have been changed, or if it's a difference of perception on the same product (hence my comment about "pending further reviews").
If all Universal wanted to do was to fix the title glitch, surely it would have been cheaper for them to release on schedule and have a disc replacement program for Frenzy, knowing that few would care enough to take up the offer.
It's also worth realizing that while the set isn't perfect, we're not paying top dollar for all these movies either. The UK set price comes out at less than $10 per movie. Quality costs. What were getting is a pretty good compromise, all things considered.
 

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I thought The Birds, Marnie and Vertigo were the most problematic discs of real importance, aside from Frenzy's title issue. They've essentially been reviewed by Robert Harris as being in the clear, not withstanding his (understandably) higher personal standards. As for any discrepancy between what Nick has said as opposed to Mr Harris, yes we'll need confirmation from Nick on whether the discs have been changed, or if it's a difference of perception on the same product (hence my comment about "pending further reviews").
If all Universal wanted to do was to fix the title glitch, surely it would have been cheaper for them to release on schedule and have a disc replacement program for Frenzy, knowing that few would care enough to take up the offer.
It's also worth realizing that while the set isn't perfect, we're not paying top dollar for all these movies either. The UK set price comes out at less than $10 per movie. Quality costs. What were getting is a pretty good compromise, all things considered.
One that I can tell you as an absolute, is that the Vertigo Blu that I screened, which was a burned copy, in a later state than the one that Mr. W. screened, has been upgraded in a number of paces.
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Here are Nick's first assessments:

SABOTEUR - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 9th August 2012
Length 01:48:48 / AVC / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.37:1 / 8/10
SHADOW OF A DOUBT - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 7th August 2012
Length 01:47:49 / VC-1 / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.37:1 / 7/10
ROPE - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 30th July 2012
Length 01:20:41 / AVC / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.37:1 / 7.5/10
REAR WINDOW - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 27th July 2012
Length 01:52:25 / VC-1 / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.66:1 / 8.5/10
THE TROUBLE WITH HARRY - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 6th August 2012
Length 01:39:23 / AVC / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.85:1 / 8/10
THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 6th August 2012
Length 02:00:18 / AVC / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.85:1 / 6.5/10
VERTIGO - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 13th August 2012
Length 02:08:27 / VC-1 / DTS-HD MA 5.1 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.85:1 / ?/10
THE BIRDS - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 29th June 2012
Length 01:59:29 / AVC / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.85:1 / 4.5/10
MARNIE - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 6th August 2012
Length 02:10:23 / AVC / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.85:1 / 3.5/10
TORN CURTAIN - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 9th August 2012
Length 02:07:43 / AVC / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.85:1 / 4.5/10
TOPAZ - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 25th July 2012 - (labelled USHE) US BD?
Length 02:22:09 / VC-1 / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.85:1
FRENZY - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 30th July 2012
Length 01:55:52 / VC-1 / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.85:1 / 3/10
FAMILY PLOT - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 27th July 2012
Length 02:00:04 / VC-1 / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.85:1
He said that FAMILY PLOT and FRENZY were disasters. That MARNIE, TORN CURTAIN and THE BIRDS were problematic and THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH was disappointing.
His highest marks went to SABOTEUR, ROPE, SHADOW OF A DOUBT, REAR WINDOW and THE TROUBLE WITH HARRY. RAH concurs on SABOTEUR but is underwhelmed by ROPE and REAR WINDOW.
I'm sure I will be reasonably happy with the set as all I require is that they be a step-up from the DVDs. But I don't think we should be slathering Uni with praise. Each of these films is important and each one should be treated with the same respect they gave to THE BIRDS. They could have released these individually and taken the time to get them right. Instead they chose to rush them out. And we have no knowledge that they've fixed anything except an issue which could have got them into hot legal waters.
Except for THE BIRDS and (possibly) VERTIGO, this release wasn't a labour of love. I'll show my appreciation by buying them. But have we really become so demoralised that we're actively praising a studio simply for releasing their films in satisfactory quality?
 

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Originally Posted by Anthony Neilson /t/321703/ushe-announcement-alfred-hitchcock-the-masterpiece-collection-blu-ray/1320#post_3993055
Here are Nick's first assessments:
SABOTEUR - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 9th August 2012
Length 01:48:48 / AVC / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.37:1 / 8/10
SHADOW OF A DOUBT - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 7th August 2012
Length 01:47:49 / VC-1 / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.37:1 / 7/10
ROPE - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 30th July 2012
Length 01:20:41 / AVC / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.37:1 / 7.5/10
REAR WINDOW - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 27th July 2012
Length 01:52:25 / VC-1 / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.66:1 / 8.5/10
THE TROUBLE WITH HARRY - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 6th August 2012
Length 01:39:23 / AVC / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.85:1 / 8/10
THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 6th August 2012
Length 02:00:18 / AVC / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.85:1 / 6.5/10
VERTIGO - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 13th August 2012
Length 02:08:27 / VC-1 / DTS-HD MA 5.1 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.85:1 / ?/10
THE BIRDS - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 29th June 2012
Length 01:59:29 / AVC / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.85:1 / 4.5/10
MARNIE - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 6th August 2012
Length 02:10:23 / AVC / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.85:1 / 3.5/10
TORN CURTAIN - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 9th August 2012
Length 02:07:43 / AVC / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.85:1 / 4.5/10
TOPAZ - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 25th July 2012 - (labelled USHE) US BD?
Length 02:22:09 / VC-1 / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.85:1
FRENZY - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 30th July 2012
Length 01:55:52 / VC-1 / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.85:1 / 3/10
FAMILY PLOT - BD50 - R0 - Checkdisc date 27th July 2012
Length 02:00:04 / VC-1 / DTS-HD MA 2 Ch. 48kHz / Confirmed AR 1.85:1

He said that FAMILY PLOT and FRENZY were disasters. That MARNIE, TORN CURTAIN and THE BIRDS were problematic and THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH was disappointing.
His highest marks went to SABOTEUR, ROPE, SHADOW OF A DOUBT, REAR WINDOW and THE TROUBLE WITH HARRY. RAH concurs on SABOTEUR but is underwhelmed by ROPE and REAR WINDOW.
I'm sure I will be reasonably happy with the set as all I require is that they be a step-up from the DVDs. But I don't think we should be slathering Uni with praise. Each of these films is important and each one should be treated with the same respect they gave to THE BIRDS. They could have released these individually and taken the time to get them right. Instead they chose to rush them out. And we have no knowledge that they've fixed anything except an issue which could have got them into hot legal waters.
Except for THE BIRDS and (possibly) VERTIGO, this release wasn't a labour of love. I'll show my appreciation by buying them. But have we really become so demoralised that we're actively praising a studio simply for releasing their films in satisfactory quality?
Looking at the dates i would say the marks for some of those are for discs which have hopefully now been fixed by Universal, i sure hope The Birds and Marnie are now as good as Mr Harris says they are, i do mostly trust his reviews ( apart from Blade Runner - Final Cut ) but at the same time i don't really trust Universal, their track record over the years has been patchy. I also hope DVDBeavers screencaps of Frenzy are wrong, they clearly show edge enhancement and degraining.
 

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Perhaps you'd like to donate a couple million dollars to the Universal Video coffers to help pay for these titles to be "perfect". Of course don't expect to get your money back with profits.
 

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Originally Posted by moovtune /t/321703/ushe-announcement-alfred-hitchcock-the-masterpiece-collection-blu-ray/1320#post_3993062
Perhaps you'd like to donate a couple million dollars to the Universal Video coffers to help pay for these titles to be "perfect". Of course don't expect to get your money back with profits.

If i was a billionaire i would pay for restoration and new 4K scans for all their titles and other studio's too, that's because i love movies, since i'm not i won't.
 
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moovtune said:
Perhaps you'd like to donate a couple million dollars to the Universal Video coffers to help pay for these titles to be "perfect". Of course don't expect to get your money back with profits.
Silly point. I'm not a studio and I don't have millions of dollars, or a film legacy to protect/ market/honour.
I'm just saying that buying the product is enough. Active congratulations we should keep for studios that produce exceptional product otherwise they lose what little currency they have. The only exceptional element here is the films themselves and such restoration that has been done. Banging out old masters on discs is not worthy of praise; not films as high-profile as these anyway.
 

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Originally Posted by moovtune /t/321703/ushe-announcement-alfred-hitchcock-the-masterpiece-collection-blu-ray/1320#post_3993062
Perhaps you'd like to donate a couple million dollars to the Universal Video coffers to help pay for these titles to be "perfect". Of course don't expect to get your money back with profits.
kickstarter?
 

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Anthony Neilson said:
But have we really become so demoralised that we're actively praising a studio simply for releasing their films in satisfactory quality?
I'm not praising a studio for achieving what should be the bare minimum. I'm praising a studio for listening to the critiques of their work and making changes at the 11th hour. When was the last time that a studio did that? When mistakes are made, the best you can usually hope for is that there's an exchange program or that they make corrections the next time they want to sell the same movies over again.
 

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RAH's responses so far are telling me I made the right decision, for myself of course, to hold off on this until it hits clearance prices. I was never in a rush to re-buy the old Masterpiece collection, I can hold out longer on this one. I'm much more excited for the Criterion Hitchcock releases that are trickling out since I've not seen them before.

14 titles was always going to be a mixed bag right? The set is probably the best we could of hoped for, but still less then it could of been. :S
 

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Originally Posted by Anthony Neilson /t/321703/ushe-announcement-alfred-hitchcock-the-masterpiece-collection-blu-ray/1320#post_3993069
I'm just saying that buying the product is enough. Active congratulations we should keep for studios that produce exceptional product otherwise they lose what little currency they have. The only exceptional element here is the films themselves and such restoration that has been done. Banging out old masters on discs is not worthy of praise; not films as high-profile as these anyway.

Absolutely agree.
 

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Now read RAH's responses to the rest of the set and tell me how grateful you feel.
"Now" is the key word here. When I was giving kudos, RAH hadn't posted on the other titles and now that he has, the set does appear to be worse than what I expected based on his posts last night. I deeply apologize for apparently offending you and anyone else with my premature and ultimately incorrect congratulations to Universal.
 

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Originally Posted by Russell G /t/321703/ushe-announcement-alfred-hitchcock-the-masterpiece-collection-blu-ray/1350#post_3993117


The set is probably the best we could of hoped for, but still less then it could of been. :S

I think that's a little too generous. Unlike some others here, I don't believe any human endeavor can yield perfection, but with a modicum of attention and common sense, something like this set could have been uniformly excellent. And it should have been.
 

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