"Upgrading" from a 5700 to a 4802. Advice needed.

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  1. Jeffrey P. Barone

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    I currently own a Denon 5700, and have been very happy with it and my Atlantic Technology System 350 speakers for several years now. The upgrade bug has bitten however, and I find myself wanting the features that the new receivers offer. The logical choice would be to buy either the Denon 5803, or the Pioneer Elite VSX-49TX. Unfortunately, I'm in the middle of remodeling my home, and I won't be able to afford either of these receivers anytime in the near future. So, I am now considering the Denon 4802. Can anyone tell me if I will be disappointed with the 4802, after having used the 5700 for so long. My main concern is the amplifier section. I have to admit that we, at times, like to listen to movies at reference levels, and the 5700 does a great job with my AT speakers. Does the 4802 have sufficient power? Denon lists the power output of the 5700 at 140 wpc and the 4802 at 125wpc. Will I notice a significant drop off? I know that some of you will suggest the 4802 with an external amp. Again, cost and space limitations will prevent me from adding an external amp. The bottom line is, will I be disappointed going from a 5700 to a 4802? Thanks for your help.
     
  2. Brian Corr

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    I went from a 5700 to a 3802 and had no problems playing my M&K's loud, and they are 4 ohm speakers. I thought the difference in sound quality was minimal.
    I have setup a friend with the 4802 and think you would be very pleased with the 4802. I'd even venture to say that the 4802 may sound better than the 5700.
     
  3. Greg Haynes

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    I wouldn't be caught up with the whole wattage issue. Remember that you need to double your wattage just to hear +3db difference. So the 4802 should be perfect buy for you.
     
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    I recently sold my 4802 to be replaced by seperates. In the meantime I had a dealer demo 5700 at my place and the 5700 IMHO sounded better than the 4802. It offred a seamless soundstage for HT and music and I could tell it is a more powerful receiver than the 4802. The 5700 comes pretty close to seperates in terms of sound quality. I am seriously considering buying the 5700 even though it does not have 6.1. I'd rahter have 5.1 from the 5700 than 6.1 from other receivers.
     
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    Damn! The amp in the 5700 is the same as the 5600..And after asking questions about a 5600, people have said I should go with a 3802. But if the 5700 (5600) sounds better then the 4802, I should go with the 5600. But the 5600 has no DTS. And even if my DVD player had multi ch. out, there is no input on the 5600.[​IMG] What to do?
    Mabey if I can find a used 5700...
     
  6. NickSP

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    If people say the amp is better or the same on the 3802 than the 5700 simply don't know what they are talking about. Just open the top of a 5700 and you'll know why. If 6.1 processing is not important then the 5700 used is a much better buy than the 3802 IMHO!
     
  7. Peter Johnson

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    Amp technology hasnt really changed in decades. Sure it get better, but VERY slowly.

    The amps in the 5700 were good amps. They still are, and will be for a while to come.

    I would take the 5700 over the 4802 in terms of sound quality.

    Like NickSp said, take the top off and look at the internals..
     
  8. Brian Corr

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    IMHO, the differences between the above receivers is small when compared to the differences of moving to separates.
    Saying Denon is close to separates is subjective. What is "close"?
    I'd say going to separates will give at least a 20% improvement. Denon receivers tend to mute or roll off the highs. Going to separates will give a better soundstage, and a more dynamic sound. I've had or installed the 3200, 5700, 4800, 4802 and 5800. You have to move to separates to see where Denon is lacking (when compared to separates).
    If you have any inkling of going towards separates, then get a 3802 or 4802. They perform pretty well with an external amp. They also will hold their value better since they are current and offer you the latest hardware.
    If you have no intention of upgrading and the 5700 has what you need, then it's a fine choice.
     
  9. NickSP

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    Brian, I agree with you in part. Yes seperates will sound better than the 5700 but only those seperates that are higher end seperates not your run off the mill kind of seperates which are say under $2K.
    The processing and amplification on the 5700 is rock solid. Plenty of low tight bass with defined mids and smooth airy highs. All characteristics of a good amp.
    Like I said I agree with you in part where you said these receivers can be used as a pre/pro. I would definitely use the 4802 as a pre/pro because I believe being an almost flagship receiver it enjoys a lot of features found on the 5700/5800. In fact I would use the 4802 as a pre/pro before I use a lot of these cheaper ones floating around.
     
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    Why not use the 4802 processor and 5700 amps? I have the 4800 it is more than powerfull enough for me.

    I did find at reference it seemed strained on some scenes. So I added the matching POA-5200 to use for my left/right speakers and that strain is gone. I usually listen at -5 to -10 db below reference though.
     
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    James, i would vertainly not go to the extent of using the 5700 as an external amp siply because even at $1K used for the 5700, you can buy a decent used 5 channel amp. The 5700's amp works well in tandem with it's own processor but I don't know how it will perform when used as an amp.
     
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  13. NickSP

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    "Aw Man..... you mean my Rotel 1066 and Carver amp are run of the mill seperates? Darnit...."(LOL)
    I am sorry man it came out the wrong way. I think flagship receivers do a fantastic job in terms of sound quality when compared to comparable priced seperates. Now that sounds much better.
     
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    I'm in the same boat. I had an unfortunate accident with my 5700. It's probably repairable but since we recently completed our theater, my wife and I don't want to wait for the 5700 to get repaired so I ordered a 4802 on the premise that it will sound substantially the same as the 5700. I too am driving AT350 speakers. I plan to buy a used ATI1505 to couple with the 4802. When the 5700 gets fixed, I'll put it in the family room. I'm I crazy?

    Bomber
     
  15. Jeffrey P. Barone

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    Harlan,

    Please let us know how the 4802 does in replacing the 5700. Thanks!
     
  16. Harlan

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    Well it's another day and I've made up my mind yet another time. Every time I buy a component I have second thoughts!!! Once again it was the case here. I did some additional research and wished I had purchased the Pioneer 47TX instead of the 4802. Well wouldn't you know it the dealer called me 3 days after the 4802 was to have shipped with a "problem". I used that as an opportunity to cancel the my order and ended up buying a 47TX. Now I'm back wondering iff that was a mistake. Does any one else have this problem?

    Harlan
     
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    I received the 47TX tonite. Although it's too early to say which is better, the 47TX is definitely not going to disappoint me. Although I love my 5700, I'd have to say the 47TX's build quality is better as is it's ergonomics. If we dive down to aesthetics, The Pioneer Elite rules. I'll report back on my evaluation of the sonic diffences once I get more time with the Pioneer.

    HArlan
     
  18. Earl Simpson

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    You can pick up a 5800 ( new) for 2200-2300. Fine machine for the price. Otherwise the 3802 and 4802 would do fine.
     

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