Upgradeitis: Do any of you buy multiple items of the same generation to "play" with?

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  1. Kevin C Brown

    Kevin C Brown Producer

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    I've sometimes done this if I've been disappointed with a product. Quick example, I had a Sony PCM-R300 pro DAT deck. Really liked it. Had it for 2 years. It was a cheaper 2 motor unit. I wanted to move up to a 4 motor "heavier duty" deck. Tried the PCM-R500, garbage. Tried the consumer equivalent, ZA5ES. Garbage. Tried the Tascam DA-40. Me so happy. [​IMG]

    But does anyone do this on a regular basis either because they have the money, the desire, or the time?

    Receivers: 3802, 4ES, 525, 45tx
    DVD players: 47ai, 8300, 800, 2300, rp72, 999ES
    Pre/pros: 950, 1066, Ref 50, AVM-20

    Etc.

    Obviously, playing with the hardware should be (?) secondary to actually enjoying the audio or the video, but I was just curious...
     
  2. Kevin C Brown

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    Brett- Ahh, but that's partially my point. [​IMG] Are there people out there so "hyper" about their systems, that say for example, they cannot be satisifed with any one component until they've checked out some of its competition 1st?

    Not in parallel, that would be expensive, but in series...
     
  3. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Producer

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    Well,

    I guess if you have a great repore with a local dealer it
    would make constant changes more "affordable". I make a lot
    of changes but lets face it.. I buy garbage compared to
    people who claim themselves audiophiles [​IMG]

    I don't envy anyone who can do this sort of thing. I think
    I have made MidFi (maybe even LowFi) sound good. But if you
    can afford to deditate that much into the hobby I respect
    it!

    I would love to be in the hobby to the point where I had
    to debate over a Rega Planet Alloy, Shanling or Sonic Frontiers
    CD-P's

    Ohh to have to make that sort of decision... [​IMG]
     
  4. Craig Morris

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    I can't say that I've ever bought two similar items to play-off against each other in my system... however, I have auditioned (without buying) many components in my home before deciding to purchase them or not.

    One 'experiment' I'd love to try is to build a music only system of 'affordable' gear in another room. I'm looking at trying something like Paradigm Atoms with an Energy 8" sub and maybe a NAD C320BEE integrated and 521i CD player. That entire system would cost less than half of what I paid for my CD player alone in my main system... I'm really curious to see how good 'affordable' gear can sound when set up properly.
     
  5. Kevin C Brown

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    Craig- This is heresy to some, but I don't believe there are large differences in sound quality between say a well designed $500 receiver and any $3000 pre/pro. If I did a music only system, and I know Brett is watching this [​IMG], I'd be tempted to try a good tube integrated amp...
     
  6. Brett DiMichele

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    Heheh [​IMG]

    Or a good pair of tube mono's connected to a good pre...


    (Not saying my Reciver is a good pre mind you..)

    I could have gotten into a fairly nice integrated from
    nOrh or ASL for $500.00 to $900.00 depending on wattage
    or if you want more watts and better amplification you
    can drop about a grand on a Pre and 2 monoblocks and
    have a really nice budget deal.

    I think with careful setup a mid priced system can sound
    as good as a much higher priced offering. It just takes
    time and careful matching of everything and the room plays
    a major part too.

    A cheap system in a properly set up room will sound better
    than the most expensive speakers placed in a poor acoustic
    environment yes/no ?
     
  7. Craig Morris

    Craig Morris Stunt Coordinator

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    Yeah, I'm not big on tubes... first, I wouldn't call any of the tube gear available in my city 'affordable'. And I wouldn't call the maintenance of them affordable either. A friend of mine is constantly bitching about the expense and hassle of replacing his tubes. Not to mention the hum I can hear from his gear... or the clicks and pops in his vinyl. heh... sorry guys, this wasn't meant to be a solid state vs. analogue debate.

    My 'experiment' is simply to test out this 'cheap' gear that gets rave reviews in the press. I wanna know how good it really is.
     
  8. Brett DiMichele

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    Craig,

    I am not going to make thuis into a SS vs. Tube debate since
    only our ears can decide what sounds good to us. But I have
    to say there are some affordable tube offerings out there.

    I didn't think Tubes could be had on the "cheap" either. But
    I just ordered a pair of 20watt Antique Sound Labs Mono's
    a week ago (comming from Canada) they run pure class A all
    the time and they use affordable replacement tubes (unless
    you so choose to replace the affordable sovtek's with much
    better units from Elecrohamonics or others..)

    Both Mono's cost me $500.00 total including shipping. That's
    not bad at all for a pair of 20watt jobs, Most people will
    drop a grand or more on a good reference CD Transport/Player
    or a few grand on a reference SACD Player.

    As for hum, pops or clicks... Well like you said.. This is
    not an SS vs Tube or Analog Vs Digital debate so I will
    leave that out [​IMG]

    Tube Longevity isn't that bad... Tubes can last a year or
    they can last many years depending on what thier function is.

    But when you buy an SS amp you run it till it dies, and that
    could be 20-30 years.. [​IMG]

    And with tubes you get into the whole tube biasing issue
    where you have to manually bias new tubes yadda yadda.. [​IMG]
     
  9. Greg Kolinski

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    LOL Brett......that sounds like me,I bounce back and forth between the "car toys" and HT stuff.I've got a 86 Z-28,that I'm afraid to add up what I have invested in it[​IMG] New interior,fresh black paint,a GM ZZ4 355 hp crate motor ETC,heck the motor cost surpassed the blue book value of the car[​IMG] .I wont even go into the 69 AMX drag car costs,had it since 1985,many differnt incarnations of this poor old car,drag car is it's latest "fad".oh yeah, for the purists.NO,I didnt cut it up to tub it or anything[​IMG] , it can be put back to factory look very easy.
     
  10. Brett DiMichele

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    Greg,

    Ohh brother can I ever sympathize with ya...

    I went from a Pro Street Dodge Demon (71)
    to a 89 Corvette to a 95 Corvette to a 2000 Corvette
    and picked up a 1968 Corvette along the way that I am
    now restoring.

    If I could ditch the cars maybe I could afford some of
    that "Audiophile" stuff [​IMG]

    Ohh and I also collect little cars too... (Primarily 1:18th
    Scale.. Have about 400+ of those and the collection is
    always growing.)

    Hobbies, gotta luv em but can barely afford any of em!

    P.S: Nice rides ya got there! Shoot me some pictures if
    you have any on the net ( [email protected] ) and you can
    check out my web pages if you want.

    http://www.westol.com/~brettd/demon/
    http://www.westol.com/~brettd/corvette/
    http://www.westol.com/~brettd/c3/
    http://www.westol.com/~brettd/c5/

    I now return you to the previously scheduled discussion.
     
  11. Kevin C Brown

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    Hee, hee. I have a 5.0 LX Mustang from 1989 that I'm going to hold on to. But *someday*, I might go for a ~'87 Regal Grand National... Faster than a 'vette, but handles like a truck. [​IMG]

    I would just go integrated, just because it would make things "easier"...
     
  12. Brett DiMichele

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    Kevin,

    Nice stang!

    Correction... GN's were faster than the "same year" Vette
    but trust me they are no where near as fast as late 90's
    Vettes or new Vette's [​IMG]

    A 6 speed C5 (non Z06) will run 12.90's to 13.0's with a
    good driver, a GN will run low 14's bone stock. It's easy
    to modify a GN to run much faster though (Up the boost)
    Damn turbo's! [​IMG]

    Is your Stang stock?
     
  13. Kevin C Brown

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    Brett- Yeah, stock. Never could decide whether to just do a more efficient air cleaner, or maybe some exhaust work, or go full-bore for a supercharger....

    How 'bout this one: GNX. Hee, hee. I've only ever seen one of these in real life.
     
  14. Brett DiMichele

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    Kevin,

    A stock GNX still wouldn't compete with a stock new Vette
    but just like the GN... They are SO easy to modify [​IMG]

    A school teacher of mine had a GNX and he used to actualy
    drive the car to school. Took me for a ride one day (He knew
    I was a car nut) The car launched great and it ran superb
    and you'd never know it was that fast sitting at a red light.

    Very docile when it was not spooling the turbo [​IMG]

    As for the Monoblocks vs. Integrates if someone is looking
    for a simple setup integrates are the way to go. The problem
    is that most integrates tend to lack the amount of source
    inputs that the dedicated Pre's have. Plus if you wish to
    Bi-Wire you are usually SOL.

    I was just over at Crutchfield and I spied a very nice Denon
    Integrated that DOES allow for Bi Wiring and the construction
    is top notch.. It's also $1500.00 which I think could get
    you into an even better Integrated from some other companies.
     
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    Brett- I mean integrated for a tube setup. I assume the Denon is solid state?

    I also think about getting a used police car too sometimes. [​IMG] "Cop tires, cop suspension, cop engine," ...
     
  16. Brett DiMichele

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    Kevin,

    Yeah the Denon is a Solid State. I am just saying for
    dedicated 2Ch regardless of Tube vs. SS the Denon looks
    like a real well built integrated.. No display just knobs
    and power... 5 seperated sections, 2 seperated transformers
    etc..

    But yeah Tube Integrates are nice... Still very limited on
    source options though. Most need an external phono preamp
    which if you go tubes with the phono pre that's even more
    money [​IMG]

    Police cars are neat... the BC4 Camaro's and Caprice's run
    as do the Police Interceptor Mustangs [​IMG]
     
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    I knew a woman once who had a used CHP Mustang. She never let me drive it. [​IMG]
     
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    Kevin,

    Yes, I upgraded my home theater receiver every year for the past 5 years. My purchases were as follows:

    -Yamaha DSP-A1 to Denon 5700 (I quickly added a used Denon POA-2400 200 watt/channel, 2 channel amp to drive front speakers) to Denon 4800 (same front channel amp) to Denon 5800 (I sold the Denon POA-2400 and puchased a used Carver AV-806x 6 channel amp to power all 5 speakers) to an Aragon Stage One processor-

    I have just sold my Carver AV-806x 6 channel amplifier to purchase 7 channels of amplification as I wish to add two surround back speakers. I only have one rear center now. Speaking of which, any recommendations on 7 channel amplification (one 7 channel amp or one 2 channel and one 5 channel amp)?

    Mike
     

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