Twilight Zone videotaped episodes

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Somewhat off-topic, but just yesterday I was reading a list of all the scripts Serling wrote for other anthology shows. I wonder if there would ever be any interest in compiling these into their own set? All those amazing stories he wrote for Playhouse 90, Bob Hope Presents and many, many others. I don't know how many of them still exist, but I sure would love to see them, somehow. Does anyone else agree?
 
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Originally Posted by Ethan Riley

Somewhat off-topic, but just yesterday I was reading a list of all the scripts Serling wrote for other anthology shows. I wonder if there would ever be any interest in compiling these into their own set? All those amazing stories he wrote for Playhouse 90, Bob Hope Presents and many, many others. I don't know how many of them still exist, but I sure would love to see them, somehow. Does anyone else agree?

A Criterion DVD set of The Golden Age of Television which I reviewed last year has "Patterns," "Requium for a Heavyweight," and "The Comedian," all of which he won Emmys for.
 
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I wonder if the kinescope masters still exist, and what format - 35mm or 16mm?
 

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Originally Posted by DeWilson

I wonder if the kinescope masters still exist, and what format - 35mm or 16mm?

I don't think kinescope would be the masters. The video tape would be. Video tape would have been what was run in the major markets. By the 1960's, kinescopes would only have been made for very small markets that were unable to handle video tape. My guess is they would be 16mm. Shows that originated on film were still being shipped to New York as 16mm prints in the late 1960s. Mainly because a 16mm print could be made faster than a 35mm print. They had to allow for the shipping time. 35mm prints were what was shown on the west coast.


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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce

I don't think kinescope would be the masters. The video tape would be. Video tape would have been what was run in the major markets. By the 1960's, kinescopes would only have been made for very small markets that were unable to handle video tape. My guess is they would be 16mm. Shows that originated on film were still being shipped to New York as 16mm prints in the late 1960s. Mainly because a 16mm print could be made faster than a 35mm print. They had to allow for the shipping time. 35mm prints were what was shown on the west coast.

Actually, most local stations still didn't have VTRs, so the kinescope backups were for TV stations that were unable to air the show "live" off the network (particularly stations that aired TV shows on different days/times than scheduled).


The reason for kinescopes was that while most local stations didn't have a VTR, they all had a 16mm projector.
 

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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce

I don't think kinescope would be the masters. The video tape would be. Video tape would have been what was run in the major markets. By the 1960's, kinescopes would only have been made for very small markets that were unable to handle video tape. My guess is they would be 16mm. Shows that originated on film were still being shipped to New York as 16mm prints in the late 1960s. Mainly because a 16mm print could be made faster than a 35mm print. They had to allow for the shipping time. 35mm prints were what was shown on the west coast.


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They made a set of kinescope masters from the video tapes - thus those are the kinescope masters :) The TZ episodes were syndicated as kinescopes for decades.


35mm prints don't take that much more time to make than a 16mm print. It was more fesible for local stations to use 16mn due to the size of the film and the equipment and eazy to ship the film prints around.


The networks on both east and west coast used 35mm prints for their feeds to the stations

and only used 16mm as a back up in case something happened. (See Bob Justman & Herb Solow's book on the years they produced classic Star Trek for insight into this)
 

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Were the taped episodes shown in 16mm in first run on CBS or were they shown on tape?
Most likely, they were shown on tape for all stations that aired the show "live" on the network (on its normal day/timeslot). For any stations that time-shifted (such as stations who had multiple network affiliations), then it would've surely been from a kinescope, since few (if any) local stations would have been able to make their own tapes.

I wasn't alive at the time, though, so maybe some of our more senior members can tell us for sure.
 

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Were the taped episodes shown in 16mm in first run on CBS or were they shown on tape?
Tape. I think the 16mm thing was an error by Mark Scott Zicree. At the very least Night of the Meek was rerun from a videotape in the summer of 1962. Hence the noticable drop in audio quality on Rod's last line since it was cut in from an aircheck kiniscope of the original broadcast version.
 
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For any stations that time-shifted (such as stations who had multiple network affiliations), then it would've surely been from a kinescope, since few (if any) local stations would have been able to make their own tapes.
Nowadays, the multiple-affiliation thing of the past has had a resurgence of sorts, in the form of digital subchannels in many areas (like WLOX Channel 13 of Biloxi, MS, where 13.1 is ABC, 13.2 is CBS, and 13.3 is Bounce).
 

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I can tell you that one where the daughter finds out she's a robot was shown here in the 70s forever as a kinescope. Suddenly--out of the blue--they started airing it as a videotape. Who knows why.
 

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I can tell you that one where the daughter finds out she's a robot was shown here in the 70s forever as a kinescope. Suddenly--out of the blue--they started airing it as a videotape. Who knows why.
In the mid-80s, Viacom remastered TZ for syndication (with one exception, the same masters eventually became what the Sci-Fi Channel aired for the better part of 20 years). The VT episodes were taken from the original quads except for Night of the Meek for some reason.
 
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This may just be me, but I'm 100% fine with the TZ DVD's & haven't (and won't) upgrade to Blu in this case. Sure, the PQ is rough in many places - but it's an old show. And, I am a lot more forgiving re: this type of thing with b&w shows given that color isn't an issue, etc.
 
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This may just be me, but I'm 100% fine with the TZ DVD's & haven't (and won't) upgraded on Blu in this case. Sure, the PQ is rough in many places - but it's an old show.
And it may just be me as well, but I'm fine w/Timeless' M Squad release similarly-- the original films used to make it have plenty of problems left over from the time, but the show (and Lee Marvin in it) was what I was after, and was why it has been one of the best purchases I have ever made.
 

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The dvds were far from "definitive" in this case though.

-Rerun intro on Mr. Denton on Doomsday.
-Wrong opening on A Passage for Trumpet (carried over to the blu-ray leading me to believe it has something to do with the 3-track)
-several missing next episode Previews
-lost final line of Night of the Meek
-missing lines on A Penny For Your Thoughts

Also the Blu masters look massively better even streaming off of Netflix
 
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And it may just be me as well, but I'm fine w/Timeless' M Squad release similarly-- the original films used to make it have plenty of problems left over from the time, but the show (and Lee Marvin in it) was what I was after, and was why it has been one of the best purchases I have ever made.
Those were far from the original films. The release was a Frankenstein set, stitched together from 16mm prints, VHS dubs and whatever elements Timeless was able to get its hands on. At that time, Universal hadn't inventoried their warehouses and Timeless was doing releases based on whatever elements they could collate from collectors.
 

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