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Discussion in 'TV on DVD and Blu-ray' started by UHDvision, Dec 17, 2012.

  1. Ron1973

    Ron1973 Beverly Hillbilles nut extraordinaire

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    I'll have to check other seasons and see if they're cropped. They were definitely HD but full screen.
     
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    I have a feeling that Ron is using a different definition for the term “fullscreen”. I think he means 16x9. The fact that he says they don’t look stretched, wouldn’t make sense if he was talking about 4x3 transfers.
     
  3. Ron1973

    Ron1973 Beverly Hillbilles nut extraordinaire

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    Yes, I mean 16x9. I kept thinking that was letterboxed for some strange reason, and I should know better.
     
  4. AndyMcKinney

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    maybe to avoid any chance of confusion (at least in this particular thread), we should be saying 4:3 instead of fullscreen?
     
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    I agree.

    I've attempted to do that since the adoption of WS TV sets. Due to the archaic usage, anytime I see "fullscreen" my mind automatically translates 4:3. In this forum we all should be stating the AR rather than use terms that can be easily misconstrued.
     
  6. UHDvision

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    Totally LOL. The thing is we're now 2018. Fullscreen is a full 16/9 screen.
     
  7. AndyMcKinney

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    I guess, really, "full screen" while technically 4:3, is perhaps nowadays seen as "fills whatever screen I'm watching on". I know there are still people out there with 4:3 TV sets watching stuff (I know of some people who watch all their 4:3 stuff on those, and all widescreen stuff on their 16:9 TVs). There are also people watching things on projectors with screens who can adjust their projection ratios, so really, we probably shouldn't be using that term for any particular screen size, unless we want to risk possibly confusing someone, even though the majority of us are probably familiar with where the term originated.
     
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  8. UHDvision

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    It's true though that the term was last used when it came to 4/3 DVDs. (either open matte or Pan & Scanned).
     
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    For the past year, I've been watching old "Perry Mason" episodes on MeTV that are framed for 16:9. And I am constantly amazed that they all look fine to me. I don't notice any cropped heads. But I can't believe that these 1950s and early 1960s shows could have been composed for that ratio. I'd love to see a frame comparison of one of these broadcast episodes with its 4:3 DVD counterpart.
     
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  10. UHDvision

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    Perry Mason are in on it too? Awesome. Yes, comparison would probably reveal dead air above heads and minimal cropping on the sides.
     
  11. Gary16

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    They are not fully 16:9. There are still black side panels, just not as large as a 4:3 image. All MeTV is doing is slightly zooming the picture. These are not new or different transfers.
     
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    Correct. MeTV will zoom slightly and stretch horizontally slightly (on some shows). Then that image, including the black bars on the sides, is sent out as a total 16:9 image.
     
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    Bumping for the newly released Lost in Space remastered in WS on DVD set.

    I've stated often that I prefer OAR for any release whether that's TV or movie. I've also come to a rather surprising, at least to me, conclusion about many TV shows. For many series from the 40s-70s, the way they were originally shot, typically heavily protected for overscan on CRT TV sets, makes many work pretty well when converted to 16:9/WS. Doing so usually means a bit of cropping to the protected area is done but it's often minimal. In addition there's rarely information in the bottom of the screen that, if slightly cropped, would be noticeably missing. By the 80s TV technology had improved and overscan, while still present, wasn't the issue it was in the early days.

    That doesn't mean I'm for wide scale conversion of 4:3 material to 16:9. Frankly, I'd want the option to choose which I want to view. That's my main issue with that LIS DVD set. It's 16:9 only. However, it *does* make a good companion set to the OAR BR release. I really don't understand why Fox didn't do an "Ultimate" version on BR to include AOR and WS copies and then OAR on DVD.
     
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    Haven't seen this mentioned, or on the list, but the HD remaster of Season 1 of the original Charmed on Blu-ray, is in 16:9.
    From what I've seen, the scenes have the left and right sides expanded, with little to no vertical cropping.

     
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    Took out my old LaserDisc of Body Bags (1993), just couldn't get through the terribly cropped & cramped Blu-ray... :huh:
     
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    It's probably a conversion badly made. I'm looking forward to revisiting season 1 of Charmed in widescreen.
     
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    I have the Charmed set. Looks great. Screen grabs below. DVD first, blu-ray second.

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    There was cropping in places, but not much.

    Unfortunately, Charmed looks to be another CBS Dead in the Water BD series, so those nice HD remasters will be relegated to syndication edits, time compression, or streaming.
     
  19. UHDvision

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    Wow those original 4/3 masters of Charmed really are tight!
    Yes, I wonder why they didn't release the complete series, they would have sold better.
    Even a season 1-3 set would have killed it.

    IMHO it's not streaming that kills sales, it's bad commercial tactics from the publishers plus the stores not stocking stuff.
     
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    That's very true-- many a time, upon a show's release date for any season (or even the whole kit & kaboodle), I went to the Wal-Mart in Simpsonville the first chance I got, and to my shock and horror, Wal-Mart didn't have it!

    One very egregious example I had was when the third go of L.A. Law came out-- I thought for absolutely certain that it would be in practically any store, even Wal-Mart; unfortunately, it was not in stock there! I thought, why would this not be in stock at Wal-Mart, when it just came out?
     
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