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Toy Story 4 (2019)

Discussion in 'Movies' started by Jake Lipson, Dec 7, 2017.

  1. Tommy R

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    I thought it was great. Perhaps just barely my least favorite of the series, but I don’t mean that as a complaint. It’s a perfectly worthy film. I was a little worried going in considering how perfectly 3 wrapped up the “trilogy”, but I really enjoyed it and look at it as a feature length epilogue to the trilogy.
     
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    Visually it's very different because it uses a scope aspect ratio for the first time for this series. But I agree the quality is on par with the others. The ending is controversial for reasons we've already discussed in the thread. But I think they earned it.
     
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    Yeah, the first three are so incredibly good that it's tough for a fourth to match them. Considering that the movie is only about two months old, this is premature to say but I'd probably say the first and fourth ones are equals.
     
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    Is there a sequence of movies that has maintained the high level of quality that Toy Story has? I used sequence so to not exclude trilogies.
     
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    I would say How to Train Your Dragon has been similarly consistent, although those films were not made over nearly as long of a period. I would also say The Lord of the Rings would count on their own, although then they had to go make The Hobbit, so it doesn't really count anymore. I also really like all three Back to the Future films, although the sequels were more recreations of the first one and did not expand and deepen the series as much as Toy Story did.
     
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    An aside since this is a Toy Story thread:

    I also love all 3 BTTF films, though I would offer that Back to the Future 2 is one of the more underrated sequels in film history, and less a recreation of #1 than Back to the Future 3 turned out to be (only in a western setting). It advanced the story and characters ("No one calls me chicken!") while exploring the ramifications of time travel with even more dire consequences than in the original.

    I loved its time hopping from present to future to past... seeing Hill Valley in 2015 was amazing! And a recent blockbuster even mentions that if one goes back in time, one should not bet on sporting results, which is the catalyst event in BTTF 2! Any minor complaints of mine would stem from its rather dark tone after they return from 2015, and ending on a cliffhanger.

    I would guess that #2 is often dismissed due to the cliffhanger ending, and its relative complexity. I, myself, loved the twists and turns as the space-time continuum is fractured.

    Bravo to Zemeckis and team!
     
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    I would say the Mad Max series is fairly high quality, with many critics even proclaiming the the most recent entry is the best one!
     
  8. Jake Lipson

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    Even with the examples we've mentioned over the last few posts, I think Johnny's original point stands that the number of franchises that have produced all great films without a noticeable dip in quality is very, very small. Back to the Future is close, but not quite because of how much the sequels rely on the formula established by the first one. So far, I would say that Guardians of the Galaxy is up there, but a) they are a sub-franchise to the larger MCU, not completely independent and b) doing two great movies is not that hard; lots of franchises have two good ones and fall apart on a later sequel (the original Spider-Man trilogy and Terminator come to mind.) So we have to see if Gunn sticks the landing.

    Pixar has also done great and worthy sequels in Finding Dory and Incredibles 2. But unlike those, Toy Story 4 had the unique and scary challenge of continuing a trilogy which absolutely did stick the landing and which pretty much everyone (including most of the filmmaking team, have admitted they thought was over. This film needed to find a compelling reason to continue that would enrich the characters and world even further. I think they absolutely did that here, and 4 stands credibly shoulder to shoulder with the other three. That is a very special thing.
     
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    I don't think any series has been as consistently great as the Toy Story movies. I love all of the Back To The Future movies but the sequels aren't as good as the original. With maybe one exception, I'd say the same for the Star Wars movies. Unlike those series, Toy Story doesn't have a movie that is just a marked step down from the best of the series.
     
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    All these mentioned sequels are good, but IMHO, none of them touch me emotionally like the TS films do.
     
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    The "happy ending" contingent would have been happy with this one, I suppose. I'll stick with the official ending.
     
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    I don't think so because
    this scene would have taken place after Woody and Bo succeeded in getting all the carnival toys to kids. Therefore, it would have been after Woody already parted ways with Buzz and Bonnie's toys. This ending would have deprived him of Bo after he already walked away from his place in Bonnie's room to be with her, which would have left him without either of those anchor points in his life. That to me would be an even unhappier ending than the one we got, which was bittersweet.
    I also think this would have been counter to everything that Bo stood for in this film. So, I'm obviously very glad they got rid of this and went with the ending from the final version.
     
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    Another (less consequential) deleted scene:

     
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    I really enjoyed this. I don't remember the previous ones but from memory I enjoyed this more. I thought this had a very adult story and maybe even not very suitable for kids? Was this the production with the most troubles? In the end it turned out great.
     
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    What makes you say that? There is absolutely nothing in the movie that I wouldn't show to a kid. Yes, it works for adults too, but Pixar films typically do that, including all of the others in this series.

    As compared to what? It was in development for a long time and was pushed back until they got it right, but I don't think the production was particularly problematic as far as I know.
     
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    Well for one thing the creepy doll with the creepy henchmen who kidnapped people and harvested their organs! And the theme of abandonment and not having a home is even scarier.
     
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    That's no scarier than the end of TS3 with the toys facing incineration. Or Sid strapping toys to rockets to blow them up from the original.

    Abandonment has been a theme through all of the films.
     
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    Yes, Pixar has perfected the art of making movies that both children and adults enjoy.
     
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