Top Gun - Homoerotic soft-core porn or Navy recruitment film?

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Ross Williams, Jun 26, 2002.

  1. Ross Williams

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    I can't believe it myself, but I've never liked this film. It came out at a time when I loved every TV show or movie about fast vehicles; Knight Rider, Airwolf, Blue Thunder, etc. Top Gun should have been one of my favorites, but for some reason it always rubbed me the wrong way.

    It used to be my girlfriends favorite movie, so I bought it for her birthday. I've seen parts of it a hundred times on TV, but before last night I'd only watched it once all the way through.

    I knew I wasn't going to be able to take it seriously and enjoy it. So I decided to watch it from another angle, the homoerotic angle. I'd read about how "gay" the film was, I thought I'd decide for myself.

    About ten minutes in, it's pretty damn blatant:

    First class at Top Gun the pilots are watching footage of a dogfight.

    Pilot 1: "This stuff is giving me a hard-on."
    Pilot 2: "Don't tease me."

    99.9% of the audience probably took this as a joke, but I sure couldn't when Pilot 2 leans over, cocks his head and looks into Pilot 1's eyes seductively while saying it.

    From this point on I was hooked. Many times when the pilots were talking I swear there was something more going on behind their eyes. I thought it was especially apparant between Maverick and Ice Man. Sure, they're fighting for supremacy, but there seemed to be a lot of attraction between them. During their conversation in the bar they're inches from each other staring into each other's eyes.

    Plus there's about 10 different scenes where all these guys are without shirts. The infamous volleyball scene, the rest taking place in the locker room, it sure seems these guys love to be naked around each other.

    (I don't mean anything derogatory by my above statements, nor do I want any derogatory comments to follow.)

    The other half of the film looked just like a recruitment film. Pretty pictures of cool jets in action. The guys doing their jobs on the aircraft carrier. I'm wondering how many people joined the military after watching this film? I'm also wondering if the Navy had any part in financing the movie?
     
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  3. Rob Gillespie

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    I just thought it was a very average film about jocks who fly fast jets. 'Deep meaning' and 'Tony Scott' don't usually go together.
     
  4. Seth Paxton

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    Let's be real. The skin in the film is to sell tickets, I doubt there is anything deeper to it than that.

    The formula being - sell the sexy guys to the girls, sell the cool jets and tough guy attitude to the guys, then you double your potential audience and make a lot more money.

    Top Gun has more female appeal than Die Hard, and it has more male appeal than Sleepless in Seattle.

    Since male sex appeal is being sold to the ladies, it obviously has a carry over effect to homosexual males. Homosexuality may exist in large portions in Hollywood, but when it comes to blockbusters the bottom line is always the dollar first.
     
  5. Jay E

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    This film and Cocktail are the reasons I really disliked Tom Cruise back in the 80's. Thank God he's choosing better material than he was back then. The characters he played back then (shallow, arrogant & narcissistic), are not the sort of people I wanted to spend any of my time with.
     
  6. Ted Todorov

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    Of course it's a gay film: you guys must not be serious Quentin Tarantino fans. The below dialog is taken from the IMDB, it is a scene (that Tarantino wrote for himself, he plays Sid) from Sleep With Me
     
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    Ross, I think you are looking WAAAAYYY to into this movie.
     
  9. MattGuyOR

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    I think Ross is right. That movie is waaaaaaay gay. But it's still stupid. I'm gay, and I don't even watch it. But there's no one that can seriously say it's not gay. Just watch it again, and you'll see.
     
  10. Ross Williams

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    You know, I kind of went into it as a joke, but as soon as that "Don't tease me." line came up I went overboard. Looking at everything from that angle. I suppose you could probably do this with any film, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a blockbuster film with so many "gay" refrences.

    Sure, the naked guys were there for the chicks to goggle. But there are so many scenes in this film where the guys are standing around in bath-towels that I started to think of it as if they were in a gay steam room. It took this lame film to a whole new level.

    Ted, that's where I think the whole homoerotic thing started. I've never seen that film, but I'd heard of Tarinto's speech about Top Gun.
     
  11. Mike boettner

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    well, lets start with the film might be about gay guys, but either way, the film total sucks!IMO

    And second, I am in the NAVY and that movie had nothing to do with me joining!

    Third, Man that movie sucks!!!!
    Mike
     
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    Ross, you're right. You're not looking too deep into this movie, you're seeing it for everything it is. Even if it's not deliberately gay, it's full of gay icons. If that doesn't make it gay, it still makes it "gay". So you and Tarantino are right. You're an excellent observer.
     
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    Sorry guys don't work with me, practically any film or film scene can be twisted and interpreted to have gay themes, but this only works if you 'want' to look 'deeply' for a gay theme or metaphor in a movie, when I watch the Lethal Weapons and Gibson and Glover are smiling and hugging, I don't go "hmmmm what have we here than?".
     
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    There is a HUGE difference between a movie like Lethal Weapon and Top Gun. There's a big difference between two men hugging, and half-naked men talking about riding each others tails, or when they talk about their "sticks". Seriously, watch Top Gun again. You won't have to look hard, it's written all over the movie. It's the gayest, non-gay movie ever made.
     
  15. Ross Williams

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    I thought of a few more points. Maverick's "girl" in the film is named Charlie, she even going so far as to dress as a man in one scene. I also felt that Kelly McGillis played the part very manish.
    The only time you see Ice Man with a girl is at the bar, and I swear he looks at her with disgust.
    Goose the only guy shown with a truly hetrosexual life (wife, kid) ends up dead. (Okay that's stretching it a bit.)
    And another very "gay" line from the movie; "I want some butts!!" (I stole that from this website: http://www.topgunisgay.freehomepage.com/ )
     
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    I don't mean to demean anyone, either, and I most certainly don't mean to start another debate about whether some films have an intentionally gay subtext or not, but I think this "gay" straight films thing is something you either get or you don't. Clearly straight guys talk like that, but the concentration of sexual ambiguity and gay icons in TOP GUN and other films like BEN-HUR and CALAMITY JANE is something some of us can see and other can't. Were they trying to include a subtle "gay" subtext in those films? Who knows, maybe not. But it's there anyway to those who can see it. What's the big deal with that?
     
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    Do people actually think you need characters saying they're gay to be gay? Dig a little deeper, folks. Those dudes are gay. [​IMG]
     
  19. Ashley Seymour

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    You guys are trying to hit me over the head with the obvious gay references and I still don't see them.

    All I see is a bunch of young testostrone driven makes posturing for the right to breed with the best quality females.

    Maverick and Ice Man are not looking in each others eyes longingly, they are dueling for the rights to the female. Ice Man is the more cautious, the more sensible (if you can call a fighter pilot cautious), but Maverick has the encounter with the MIG, Maverick is the pilot who shows brilliance at TOP GUN, but also that bad boy attitude that attracts the girls. For all the symbolism that everying is throwing around the name Maverick is the most obvious. And who wins the top female in the picture? Maverick. And of course he can't betray his string of conquests so he cuts Charlie loose before becoming too involved. Hell, there is always time to sew his oats, find a girl eventually, move to the suburbs and become a Republican. For the duration of this movie, Maverick is the Peacock, besting all others in his magnificant display.

    Who do gay males have to compete for each others attention? "This stuff gives me a hard on." It seems to me the gay response would be "You know where you can find me when boring macho Neanderthals are through."

    It seems that being gay means that you have a ready supply of males that are has highly sexed as you and share your interests.

    For a male to attract a women requires a lot more work. Of course once the foundation is laid then the conquests come a bit easier, but they are still done in a fundamentally different way than gay conquests. This is why when a hetero finds a female that sexes the same as a male that he feels scared and threatened. Hey, it is unusual. It is very erotic, but he is used to being with women who share very few of his fantasies. So he settles for Suzie homemaker and her tepid sex drive and consoles himself to the fact that at least she won't be chasing around. Like he in his sex drive is want to.

    It doesn't mean that if you are gay that you can't lust after these guys. I just don't see the TOP GUN pilots needing to compete all that hard for other fellows.
     
  20. Seth Paxton

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    I think it's just the angle you approach something with.
    It's like some older, unhip person using some young lingo by accident and all the kids laughing at the double meaning and the older adult not getting it. Does that mean that just because someone else can see it from another angle that this represents the original intent? Of course not.
     

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