Angelo Colombus
Senior HTF Member
Like my Denon S940H with no issues since i bought it a year ago.
I don't know about the bigger models, but my Denon X3300W runs very cool. It's not nearly as warm as the Pioneer Elite it replaced.The days of the hot running Onkyos are gone. The crown of the blow torch receivers go to Denon and Marantz.
Both the 4400 and 4500 run pretty cool as well. Full disclosure I have them in open-air and not enclosed. But noticeably cooler than my Pioneer Elites with the Class D amps (I had the SC-05 and SC-79) and way cooler than my old (now gone) Sony ESs from the late 90s.I don't know about the bigger models, but my Denon X3300W runs very cool. It's not nearly as warm as the Pioneer Elite it replaced.
This is my first Denon after having owned two Pioneer Elites and a Sony ES before that. I have been happy with the receiver. I found it easy to setup, and it sounds better than the Pioneer Elites, IMO -- and for considerably less money than I paid for the Elites, too. I have never owned a Yamaha, so I cannot do a direct comparison, but I would have no reservations on buying another Denon.
Both the 4400 and 4500 run pretty cool as well. Full disclosure I have them in open-air and not enclosed. But noticeably cooler than my Pioneer Elites with the Class D amps (I had the SC-05 and SC-79) and way cooler than my old (now gone) Sony ESs from the late 90s.
The SC-05 did run pretty cool, and cooler than the -79 (I think they were still using Class D but weren't using the original ICE amps they used in the -05). My memory is likely more applicable to the -79 than the -05, which was retired when I bought the later model.Really? That’s interesting, Carlo. I always appreciated how much cooler the SC-05 ran compared to the AVRs I had before and my SC-77 doesn’t run too warm either.
I’m going to be looking for an upgrade before long so that I can move to Atmos, but a front projector is coming first.
There’s so interesting ones on this list that I’ll be researching as I move forward. I am leaning strong toward the Denons but the reports of how hot they run have me concerned.
The SC-05 did run pretty cool, and cooler than the -79 (I think they were still using Class D but weren't using the original ICE amps they used in the -05). My memory is likely more applicable to the -79 than the -05, which was retired when I bought the later model.
They are also the only AVR company that own their manufacturing. There is no out sourcing or sharing of assembly lines with other manufacturers.
YPAO doesnt do bass very well but the rest of the spectrum is done really well. I've ordered a minidsp 4xhd to handle the bass.Pretty sure Anthem does too but nothing against Yamaha other than YPAO of course.
Marantz lets you do that as well and maybe even Denon. I do love Yamaha as well but not as crazy about YPAO but I do love the Yamaha sound and build quality.Its the only manufacturer I know off that allows one to post edit the room EQ settings.
While I love Yamaha build quality, I find their room correction to be abysmal. Comparing an optimized YPAO run to an optimized Audyssey run is night and day. And even then, both fall far behind the real champs, Dirac, Trinnov and ARC Genesis.YPAO doesnt do bass very well but the rest of the spectrum is done really well. I've ordered a minidsp 4xhd to handle the bass.
What Yamaha AVR model were you running YPAO on?While I love Yamaha build quality, I find their room correction to be abysmal. Comparing an optimized YPAO run to an optimized Audyssey run is night and day. And even then, both fall far behind the real champs, Dirac, Trinnov and ARC Genesis.
It’s not that there’s anything particularly broken with how Yamaha approaches things, their technology is just behind. They do a very poor job with phase correction and time alignment, which results in some really strange things above the crossover frequency.
Due to my background with reviewing and REW, I help folks with calibrations regularly around Houston, so a variety of models. In the past year, I have done installs with the following Yamaha models: RX-A3080, RX-A780 and a CX-A5200What Yamaha AVR model were you running YPAO on?
Due to my background with reviewing and REW, I help folks with calibrations regularly around Houston, so a variety of models. In the past year, I have done installs with the following Yamaha models: RX-A3080, RX-A780 and a CX-A5200
They are certainly less common for me than Audyssey models from D&M.
We ended up replacing the A5200 within about 6 weeks because the owner wasn't satisfied with the results. He's much happier with his Dirac calibration results using an AudioControl processor. In this case, YPAO was doing a truly horrendous job of correcting the subwoofers.
Yeah, the subwoofer calibration sucks big time. Its not that Yamaha couldnt fix this. They make musical instruments after all and no what sounds good.
I manually eq my sub and it sounds much better than what YPAO was doing with it. The speakers themselves sound good and like what YPAO did with them.