I've discovered something about myself since getting my PS2 last year: I just suck at driving simulators! Believe me i've tried, Gran Turismo 3 is just far too imposing and complex for me to even touch (it's days in my collection are numbered), I even suck at NASCAR Thunder 2003. I can't control my cars no matter how many times I try or how hard I try, or how many tips i'm given, I keep hitting the wall or other cars. I just can't do it. It's almost as if my ability to learn breaks down when it comes to sims, I just cannot learn! I discovered this after buying Need for Speed Hot Pursuit 2, I was a big fan of the third one because I was good at it, and the new one is the same way. Conclusion: arcade racers are my cup of tea, they're easy and fun without all the sim stuff getting in the way like taking a corner the right way, breaking the right way etc. Which do you prefer and which are you good at?