Tiny Mity II vs. Sony SA-WM20 vs. Sony SA-WM500 vs. SVS 25-31PC+

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  1. TosH

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    Well, based on the rave reviews found on this and other forums, I ordered the Dayton 10" 100 watt downfiring sub from Parts Express, aka Tiny Mity II, to round out my system. I haven't seen any detailed reviews on Tiny Mity II (as opposed to Tiny Mity I) so I figured I'd write up my impressions. Background info. My system consists of Wharfedale Pacific Evo-10s connected to a Panasonic SA-XR45 receiver. All source material is passed to the receiver from my HTPC via a Toslink cable. Included with the sub is a cheap pair of RCA cables for hookup which is a nice bonus. However I chose to use a Parts Express brand sub cable. Don't know if it makes an audible difference, but the cable sure looks a lot better. My system is setup in my basement in one large oddly shaped room roughly 40' x 15' x 8'.

    Anyhow, on to the testing. First up, did a quick sweep down from 100Hz down just to get a feel for what the sub could do (just listening, no meter). And damn if it wasn't impressive! Output was high enough to induce some very respectable shaking of the walls and especially my entertainment center(damn rattles) in the 28-30Hz+ range. Mind you, this is not roof rattling, foundation shaking levels of bass, but it definitely provides enough bass for HT use at loud but sane levels without fear of pushing the sub too far. Around 28-30Hz, output starts to drops rapidly and you start hearing some port noise. Not surprising as there's a good stream of air (think small fan) coming from the port. 23Hz is about the limit of usable range from this sub. Listening to a bunch of music, this sub definitely impresses. It's very tight and accurate and sounded very good with whatever music I threw at it.

    Ok, now on to some comparisons. I invited some friends over to listen to my new setup. They brought along various subs so we could do a little budget sub comparo. Among the contendors are:

    Sony SA-WM20
    Sony SA-WM500
    SVS 25-31 PC+

    Ok, so maybe they’re not all budget subs. [​IMG]

    Tiny Mity II vs Sony SA-WM20
    As expected, this wasn't so much of a comparison as an absolute trouncing. The SA-WM20 really suffers in the output department. It had a hard time shaking anything. Bass was mostly heard, but rarely felt. And the Sony comes no where near in terms of extension. For example, about 7 minutes into the 5th Element, the alien ship lights up the wall the archaeologist is examining accompanied by a nice bass sweep. The Dayton manages to capture most of it, although it clearly drops in output as the sweep goes lower and lower. The Sony just fades out about halfway through and you really get the impression that you're missing something. Running a test sweep on the WM20, output peaks and drops sharply after 40-42Hz which backs up what I observed watching several movies.


    Tiny Mity II vs Sony SA-WM500
    We spent a lot of time switching back and forth between these two subs. Reason being that we often had to listen to a particular section in a movie a few times before we could come to a consensus as to which sub performed better. But that’s not to say these two subs sound the same because that’s definitely not the case. The biggest difference is that in comparison to the Dayton, the Sony just plain sounds boomy and a little muddy. It seems like the Sony just can’t “react” as quickly as Tiny Mity. I wouldn’t say the Sony is terrible in this regard. Just that the Dayton is better (IMHO much better) in this regard compared to other budget subs. The difference between these two subs is particularily evident to me on scenes containing big, long, drawn out explosions. For example, in Speed where the bus hits the airplane and explodes, the WM500 almost makes me cringe a little because it just doesn’t sound quite right, even though it’s plenty loud. The Dayton sounds much more accurate, and hence better to me (group vote was 4-1 in favor of Tiny Mity in that scene).

    I think the most surprising thing to me was that in terms of sheer output, we all felt that Tiny Mity II lived up to its name and beat out the Sony in most situations. For example, in the opening scene of Star Wars Attack of the Clones when the ships pass overhead, the Dayton was unmistakably louder than the WM500. We only had to make one switch in that scene because it was fairly obvious to all of us. The Sony however does come into its own in certain situations. For example, listening to DMX’s “X Gonna Give It To Ya,” we all agreed the Sony was better suited for the job. After watching Speed twice (hey it’s my favorite movie) we all felt the Dayton did a better job overall.

    So in conclusion, I would say that both subs represent great values, but I’d recommend Tiny Mity II over the SA-WM500 any day of the week. Better sounding, cheaper, and better looking to boot.


    Tiny Mity II vs SVS 25-31 PC+
    Alright, I think just about everyone on this forum has heard the SVS hype. Judging by the posts I’ve read, I swear some people must actually kneel down in front of their SVS and pay homage to it every single night!

    Ok, so right away we fired up Attack of the Clones for the opening flyby. And damn if that didn’t bring a tear to my eye. Partly because it sounded just so damned good, and partly because it was shaking me so hard I had a hard time seeing straight. I mean this thing has some SERIOUS SERIOUS power. Tiny Mity II doesn’t even come close. SQ wise, the SVS is better than anything I’ve ever heard. I could go on and on, but I’m sure it’s obvious by now where this is headed.

    Just for fun, we decided to compare the SVS vs all the other subs combined to see what would happen. We stacked both Sonys on top of the Dayton ending up with one tall, funny looking stack. There must have been some really odd cancellation effect going on because the bass we were getting really did not sound “right” for lack of a better description. Almost as if there was a slight echo in the bass. This actually made for quite the cool effect when playing the Darla scene in Finding Nemo. Almost as if you were “more” underwater. But ultimately, all three still couldn’t come close to beating out the SVS. And yes, we did try hooking up all 4 subs at once (who could resist?) just for shits and giggles. That’s probably the most ridiculous fun I’ve had with Home Theater for the all of 30 seconds it lasted till we blew a few circuit breakers.

    Anyhow, that concludes my long-winded post.
     
  2. Edward J M

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    Well if the SVS didn't trash the competition in this comparo, I think Tom V. would commit hara-kiri. :b

    Jeff Fritz of Sound Stage's Home Theater Sound sums it up nicely:

    "The SVS 25-31PC-Plus is a groundbreaking subwoofer in the under-$1000 price category. In fact, I have not heard a better subwoofer at several multiples of its price. Rarely do I get so excited about a product that I call my buddies to tell them about a new find. This case was different: 'You’ve got to hear this sub. It is blowing my mind,' I told my bass-freak friends."

    Better line-up some $1,200+ OEM subs next time and give the $775 SVS some real competition. [​IMG]
     
  3. steve nn

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    That was a fun read TosH. When I saw SVS in the mix my jaw about hit the floor. Seems like the poster is wanting to have some fun I said to myself. It must have sounded GOD AWFUL having them all running at the same time and I hope you feel ok after doing such a thing??

    I agree with your impressions of the Dayton versus the Sony and the (far superior) performance of the 25-31+. [​IMG]

    Ed- I am on the way to pick up the four slot rack today.
     
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    Uh-oh.........I can't call you Mr. Triple Threat anymore? Encroaching on B4-Plus territory now, eh Steve? Can't wait to see the pics. [​IMG]
     
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    Steve, Steve, Steve you tried to be trixy. I knew it! I knew you were going for that x-tra 25-31PC+. Can't wait to see the pictures too buddy.
     
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    man, steve...you just keep going..looks like I'm going to have to order up another svs[​IMG] If I could get away with having dual B4+'s in my family room, I might...just ordered new speakers...so...I'm gonna see how it goes[​IMG] I wonder what the "deal" is on buying another B4+...1/2 off [​IMG] *lol*

    Send us some pics man.
     
  7. WilliamMc

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    Back to the Dayton.........

    Thank you for that great review. Looks like we may have a new "best bang for the buck" sub in the lower priced catogory. I've been having fun researching a "bang for the buck" second system for the computer room, and I think this sub just made the list. I think i'm going to team it up with the sx-htb speaker set and hook it all up to my yamaha 5640. I've been also looking at the new Magnepan mmg-w planar speakers at only $300.00 a pair. Probaly a little overkill for computer speakers, and a little much for the 5640, but the cool factor would be high with the buddies! the WAF would be pretty low though...[​IMG]
     
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    Thanks Ed, Terence and Tommy. Wish I could reply but we'll wait for another Thread. You guys are great.[​IMG]
     
  9. LanceJ

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    I'm seriously thinking about getting the Dayton sub myself and trying out a certain "fashion" modification if I do: making a simple rectangular grill (frame + black cloth) to hide that port & give the enclosure a nice clean look (the grill would fit over that entire side, not just the port).

    And thanks a lot TosH for that very detailed/informative review.

    LJ
     
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    Great review, sounds like it was fun.

    I'm just curious Steve, can you reach the limits of your three SVS'.
     
  11. TosH

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    Edward J M, that does sum it up nicely. Frankly, I had no idea that my friend was bringing over this SVS sub. Hell, I didn't even know he had one. I was under the impression he was bringing over a JBL sub, so imagine my surprise. [​IMG]

    stevenn, you're right all 4 subs together did sound pretty awful. Good thing we were all pretty tanked at that point [​IMG]

    WilliamMC, have you had a chance to audition those speakers? They were on my short list but I never did find a pair to listen to.

    LanceJ, that's an interesting idea. How exactly are you planning to attach this grill? I can't think of an easy way off the top of my head except for some double sided tape.
     
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    I'm just curious Steve, can you reach the limits of your three SVS'?
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    Hi Frank,
    If I stay within proper calibration parameters, there is no limit. I also have the capability of going above reference with having no negative affect on my subs/performance. -5 is seldomly as high as I like to go though. PM

    That's a good idea LanceJ (grill).

    If the new DLS is as good as their previous offering minus the amp issue? Then the DLS has allot to offer for the $$ imo. Not all (can) or (will) put such a priority on their bass or speakers. So the DLS deserves to be a strong consideration for the market that it serves, in my mind anyway. For $130 it's a good little performer. [​IMG]
     
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    Grill idea: this is all theory but I was thinking about using velcro tape that hopefully has a very sticky adhesive. And actually, since the grill wouldn't be taken off very much ("Hey everybody, wanna see the port hole on my sub?" [​IMG] ) the double-sided tape idea might actually be better. Using a hot glue gun might work too but am afraid the heat from this might cause the veneer to detach from the cabinet.

    Speaking of veneer: a long time ago I bought some of that woodgrain vinyl veneer to cover the outside of some speakers I made in high school and it actually ended up looking pretty good (one note of caution: DON'T get in a hurry putting that stuff on. The instructions weren't lying when they said the veneer, once its adhesive came in contact with the cabinet's surface, is nearly impossible to remove). I'm not a big fan of black speakers and big black cubes in particular don't look good to me squatting in a corner. So I am considering buying some vinyl cherry veneer that matches my Boston Acoustics front mains and wrapping that around the Tiny so it won't look so utilitarian. It only needs three sides covered which are all completely flat so it should be easy to do.

    LJ
     
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    If the new DLS is as good as their previous offering minus the amp issue? Then the DLS has allot to offer for the $$ imo. Not all (can) or (will) put such a priority on their bass or speakers. So the DLS deserves to be a strong consideration for the market that it serves, in my mind anyway. For $130 it's a good little performer.


    The "new DLS" that you are referring to, is it the Dayton 10" 100 watt sub that you can get at Parts Express?
     
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    Yes. It's the "revised" version of the previous sub.

    What issues were there with the amp on the first version? Whatever they were they likely fixed it since I haven't had any problems with my Tiny Mity II.
     
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    Just got my shipping email from parts express. The Dayton is enroute! I can't wait to finish the computer room setup. I already had a few friends over to audition the new "computer speakers". They are the SX-htb's with an old optimus sub. All stood listening with there mouths open when sampling some dolby trailers. Two recommended moving it all to the living room, and one recommend that I seek counseling![​IMG] I'll invite them back when the new sub arrives.
     
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    Hi TosH,

    I happened across this Thread in another Thread and wondered what you finally wound up with after hearing the 25-31 PC+? Did you stay with the DLS or did you decide to dig a little deeper and pick one up? It's been awhile so maybe you decided to even go another rout?

    Just curious
     

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