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Thoughts on the new Elite 47A DVD ?

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Dave Moritz, Apr 26, 2002.

  1. Dave Moritz

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    Am looking to upgade my Pioneer DVD player in the next two months. I currently have a Pioneer DV-525 that has been ok. I was going to buy the Kenwood Sovereign but am now leaning towards the new Pioneer Elite DV-47 A that does DVD, DVD-A, SACD and MP3's. I am even concidering a Pioneer Elite 49TX receiver to replace my Yamaha RX-V995 ? Does anyone have the Elite 47 A DVD and what do you honestly think of it. I want a high quality DVD for when I get a front lcd projector or rear projector set. Also the fact that it does SACD is a plus.
     
  2. KeithH

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    Dave, there has been quite a bit of discussion about the '47A here over the past month to six weeks. Do a search. I recall that one thread was rather lengthy. Also, search the Hi-Rez Highway message board on Audio Asylum, as there has been some discussion of the '47A there too. That message board is dedicated to DVD-Audio and SACD. Here is the link:
    http://www.audioasylum.com/scripts/t...orum=hirez&s=U
    The '47A got very positive write-ups recently in Home Theater and Sound & Vision, and it's European counterpart, the DV-747A, garnered high praise in a recent issue of Hi-Fi Choice out of the UK. I would take the Home Theater and Sound & Vision reviews with a grain of salt because the reviewers for these magazines tend to like most everything in my opinion. On message boards, it seems that reviews have been mixed. Most people seem to like the '47A with DVD-Audio, but reviews of its SACD capability have gone both ways. Regarding video quality, I'm sure your search here will yield some useful information. The Hi-Rez Highway message board I spoke of above only deals with audio.
     
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    Keith,

    I wonder how much of this is bias?

    The DACs (CS-4397s) are well regarded in some players sold for DVD-Audio, and well regarded for other players sold for SACD.

    I suspect that there is only one set of analog stages.

    That doesn't leave much to go wrong, except (maybe) the filters used on the DSD decoded output.

    Regards,
     
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    SACD playback quality is the weakest link of the player. It is not terrible, but certainly not up to the performance levels of some other units.
     
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    Phil,
    Amen on the above. It turns out Pioneer has a history here as well. Check out Jonathan Scull's report on the much pricier ($6K) big brother, the DV-AX10 at
    www.stereophile.com/showarchives.cgi?515
     
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    John,

    The negative comments regarding the SACD capability of the '47A that I have read on Audio Asylum could stem from a bias. For one thing, the build quality of the '47A is lackluster. So, some may be biased against the performance upon taking the thing out of the box. Secondly, it is a DVD player, and DVD players traditionally are lacking in the audio department. Anyway, I suppose a bias could be operating with some folks.

    Lee,

    I too read J-10's review of the 'AX10 in Stereophile and was surprised and disappointed by his comments regarding SACD capability. However, doesn't the 'AX10 run the DSD bitstream through a PCM DAC? Without getting into a heated debate about DSD vs. high-resolution PCM, the use of a PCM DAC for SACD could be less than ideal. Just a thought.

    By the way, I too am disappointed with the build quality of the '47A.
     
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    Stacey,

    The video is also poor?

    Wow, that surprises me. I have a DV-05 and the video on that unit is excellent. Are you refering to chroma issues or am I missing something?

    Lee
     
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    I too agree the video is not up to par with some other players for example I have a sony ns700 which has a great pic and is limited to dvd I wanted to get a player that offers dvd a or sacd so I tried the 47a and keep in mind that I own a 49tx reciever and love it![​IMG]
    video quality the sony had a little better pic than the pioneer which suprised me and dissapointed me too!
    cd comparison I couldnt tell any difference
    dvd a and sacd awsome but It was the first time I heard the two so I have nothing to compare it to
    IMO which I am no expert it did not blow me away even at the $755.00 price tag tweeter with the trade of my sony 700 they were going to give me my $300.00 back after 3 months to upgrade not a bad deal but the video wasnt awsome[​IMG]
    So Im thinking get the sony 900 which has sacd and I already know what kind of video performance im gettin maybe a tad better....... or the toshiba 5700 with dvd a but not sure of the video? any suggestions?
    Thanks Bob
     
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    Stacey,
    Even more reasons to get a Sony player and pick up SACD as a bonus...
    Seriously, I will look into it. With DVD technology, you are behind new generation tech almost 6-9 months after every purchase. I would try to the Denon 1600, but I get listener fatigue from PCM's zero crossing distortion....
    [​IMG]
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    Lee said:

     
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    i did not spend alot of time in the store and fi it would have been a store near my house I would have brought my own dvd movies and my sacd's. The salesman at Ultimate Electronics in Utah all agreed that it was a better unit than the Sony in there opinion. I listened to the only demo they had witch one of the cuts was the Morman Tabernacle Choir that sounded very good. They had this played thru a ht set of Infinity speakers. They also had the Sony ES that seemed to have issues and did not seem to have the picture of the Pioneer Elite? I currently have a standard Pioneer DV-525 that is ok for now. With everones help and input I hope to not make a bad choice in choosing a dvd player that may or may not do sacd.

    Thanks, Dave
     
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    I have the DV-47A hooked up to a Pioneer Elite VSX-49TX & I love it. So what if it doesn't weigh 40 pounds. The video is better on this unit than the DV-38A & the SACD & the DVD-audio sound great. As far as the SACD goes it gives great sound. I don't know what the complaints are. The 10bit Video DACS give a great picture. I haven't regretted my purchase on this unit at all. It's a great universal player. For the price you can't beat this player. You can find it online for $750 with shipping included at Soundpros.com
     
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    The last store I saw the 47a also had the Kenwood Sovereign and the 47a look just as good as the Sovereign. Almost every Sony ES in the store was hanging up and the picture was braking up like digital cable does. Glad to hear your opinions on the product. There is a chance I may end up with the Elite 49 TX along with the 47a DVD? Hoping to have a web page done for my HT system soon.
     
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    Was anyone able to get the Elite 47a with wood panels ? The store I first saw the 47 at said that was not availble. This is something I think is stupid because just about all Elite models have the atracktive wood panels that help set them off.
     
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    Dave, the '47A is not available with wood sidepanels. Pioneer seems to have done away with that on the Elite products. None of the current Elite receivers have wood sidepanels either.

    Dave said:

     
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    I may be mistaken but I beleive the was at least two different units. One was a DVD/SACD and I think the other was a straight dvd. Both where ES and you may be right it may of been dirty disc's that where causing the problems. I am not a big Sony fan and I am really tuff on them but when I see something that I like from them I do not dismiss that certain model at all. All I want right now is find a really good replacement for my aging Denon DCD-1290 Compact Disc Player

    . Mainly because I want to get a newer cleaner dac if possible and have SACD capability. Companies are doing alot better job building companents now. And there are still a few companies building junk but not many. My first plan was to go seperate DVD and SACD (Kenwood Soverieign & Sony 777ES SACD) But due to budget constrictions and the amount of upgrading I want to do. The DVD player might as well play SACD if the performance is there.
     

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