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Discussion in 'Movies' started by Jake Lipson, Jul 16, 2019.

  1. Jake Lipson

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    I saw Endgame again today and a couple things occurred to me about Thor 4.

    1) I wonder when, relative to the making of Endgame, the decision was made to bring Natalie Portman back. Not only did Ragnarok give the impression that she was done with the franchise by casually discarding her in a single line of dialogue, but Endgame does almost even moreso. They had a setup where they could have given Portman a significant cameo, like Rene Russo and Robert Redford had. It would have been really easy to show us Rocket interacting with her while he got the aether, or they could have written something in there where she talks to 2023 Thor in disguise. This probably would have pleased fans even more than what we did ge, but they didn't do it. Instead, they used deleted footage of her from The Dark World for the couple of shots where she's in bed, and the only new thing they asked her for was the one line where she asks if they have anything with pants for her to wear. This probably took her all of a few minutes to record, if that. It seems like if they knew that she was going to return, they could have used Endgame to reintroduce her in a more meaningful way. As-is, there will be an eight-year gap between her last significant appearance (The Dark World) and her reappearance (Love and Thunder.)

    2) It seems like we're going to have to spend at least part of the movie on Earth, because they'll need to explain what Jane has been doing since 2013. If the goal is to get her in space, they can do it, but it would be foolish to skip over the part of the story where she goes to space, because she is a very Earth-bound character as portrayed previously. (Yes, I know she visited space in The Dark World, but that was a brief trip and then she immediately returned home.)

    3) Of course Valkeryie is back -- yay -- but the real question is: is the Hulk in it? Endgame didn't really give him an ending. Yes, we saw him merge the Banner and Hulk personalities, which feels like the completion of the arc he's been on for the last few movies, but he didn't get a "goodbye" moment, like Tony and Steve and even Thor (who was clearly sent in new directions by heading off with the Guardians instead of remaining as king of New Asgard) did. The last time we saw Hulk was when he was trying to get Steve back after Steve didn't immediately reappear from returning the stones, and he saw Steve in the distance when Sam and Bucky went up to him. I don't think the movie needed to have more of an ending with the Hulk necessarily, but I do think the fact that they didn't tie his story up with a bow leaves the door open for him to return sooner rather than later. Because Mark Ruffalo was a replacement for Edward Norton, started later than the other original Avengers, and has never anchored a solo movie of his own, it seems like he probably has more options left on his contract than the others do. We know they can't do a Hulk solo movie because of legal crap with Universal, but I'd be surprised and disappointed if he didn't end up being used in a major supporting role again soon. Given how great his chemistry with Hemsworth and Thompson was in Ragnarok, I would hope we see him again here, but of course it depends on what they want to do with him next.
     
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    Seems like the bulk of Infinity War and Endgame were written in 2016? Some work probably started earlier than that.

    I thought I read something indicating that they did have slightly more for Portman to do in Endgame, but she either didn’t want to do it or wasn’t available? Not sure.

    Even though Thor left Earth to go adventuring with the Guardians, it makes sense that this story would bring him back for a portion because of New Asgard.

    And with Asgard being on Earth, I can imagine any number of reasons why Jayne Foster would get involved with them. The most obvious would be to study their science and to use their tech to help her learn more about the cosmos.

    I didn’t read the comic run Taika Waititi said he is drawing from, but I know the very basic beats. That run has some pretty heavy stuff for Jayne to struggle with that would unquestionably add a good deal of emotion to this tale.

    Kevin Feige was quoted this weekend saying: "We love the story -- it's one of the best comic runs recently," he says. "[Director Taika Waititi] would flip through and read that run while he was doing 'Ragnarok.' And I think when he agreed to come back and do another Thor, he was like, 'How do we--?' This is a very big movie that'll be folding in a lot of elements."

    "That is a huge important part of it. He pitched it to us, and we were totally in. We loved it. We'd been in touch with Natalie. She's part of the MCU family and we put she and Taika together. It took one meeting and she agreed to do it."

    So she may not have been too invested when Endgame was being planned/written, but she seemed to say yes pretty quickly when she heard what Taika Waititi wanted to do. From what I know of the comic run, I can understand that. Lots of potential for for some dramatic stuff (though likely infused with Waititi’s fun energy).

    As for Hulk, I don’t think they gave him any type of “ending moment” in Endgame because they had no intention of that being the end of him in the MCU. I’m sure they have plans to continue to do interesting things with him going forward.
     
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    And the year (2021)?
     
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    I think there was a bit of a falling out between her and Marvel when Marvel replaced Patty Jenkins with Alan Taylor, since working with Jenkins was a big part of why she was interested in coming back for the sequel.

    FWIW, I think Portman was somewhat vindicated in that. The Dark World ended up being one of Marvel's few missteps, while Patty Jenkins went on to make one of the ten highest grossing superhero movies of all time, one well regarded by both critics and audiences.

    I could see the movie telling three separate stories -- Thor parting ways with the Guardians and getting himself back into fighting shape, Jane grappling with having the powers of Thor, and Valkyrie leading the Asgardian refugees in the settlement on Earth. And then some event happens during the movie to bring the three of them back together.

    I fully anticipated Marvel taking advantage of the fact that Disney now owns Fox Studios Australia going forward. Waititi is raising two young children in New Zealand, and shooting in Sydney means he can fly home in an hour or two rather than having to fly halfway around the world.

    Likewise, Shang-Chi will presumably be set at least partially in China, and Sydney is a lot closer to the Asian shooting locations they might want to use than London or Atlanta.

    And given some of the polarizing legislation coming out of Georgia, I foresee Marvel shooting fewer films there than they have in recent years.
     

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