This Algebra II is killing me

Van Patton

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On my recent report card I had all B's, one A, and an F in Algebra II. This stuff is so useless and makes no sense whatsoever. I am glad I have been exposed to it but in reality you can only use this in theory, IMHO. I asked my father, who is an appraiser and has a widely recognized reputation for being one of the best in the area, if he ever uses this and he said no. My mom said the same thing, but I can expect it coming from a supervisor of clerks. Unless I am going to be a rocket scientist or somebody who is an author of math books, then this is ultimately useless. Do I stand alone here?
 

Matt Stryker

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I would say that calculus has a pretty small chance of being applied in your career, but stuff like algebra and trigonometry is used everyday.

Just some of the fields that I can name that will use Algebra/Trig are:

Business

IT/MIS

Architecture

Construction/Engineering (lots of calculus too)

Logistics/Operations

Computer Science/Programming

etc.

Unless you're going to work in foodservice (and not be a manager), its a pretty important subject.
 

Darren Davis

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^True. As much as you may not like it, Algebra, geometry, and trigonometry are all important math courses you should have a fairly good grasp of. It can definitely help financially and for a plethora of other things.
 

Max Knight

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I used to hate math. I was OK at it in high school, but then totally ignored it (save for the minimum requirements) in college.

I really wish I hadn't.

You may think that the math you are studying is ulitmately useless, but it's not. By learning algebra II, you are building a base of mathematical knowledge that will allow you to go to many other places.

Math, especially math that you reach when you start getting beyond algebra, is a wonderful tool for exercising your mind and understanding the world around you. I don't mean to sound like an after-school special, but learning math really teaches you how to think in a different way. I've been becoming more and more interested in math, and I really regret not driving myself harder in my math studies.

Van, I know what you're going through, but don't let it beat you down. You may not always get the best grades, but it will be worth it to lay that foundation. Right now I feel that I could go back and really ace those math courses because I have become a better thinker and a better student. And if I can make the time for it, I plan to go back and take some math courses just out of interest.

So keep studying, ask for help, get a tutor, don't freak out about your grades, but just keep at it. It's worth it in the end.
 

Matt MacFarlane

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Algebra and Trigonometry yes, but I think that Geometry is a waste of time. I don't want to sit there and write out proofs proving that my answer is right, and memorize all the rules that i will never use again in my life.
 

Julie K

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Geometry is a waste of time.

Not by a long shot.

Mathematics describes the universe. Ignore it at your peril, and future job hunting...

I was perhaps lucky in that I knew very early what I wanted to do and that math was a huge part of it. Fortunately, I'm good at it.
 

Leila Dougan

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I must agree with Julie 100%. I use math everyday, especially algebra and geometry. Also, math is the core of everything else. If you plan on going to college you are bound to take *some* class that requires math. Obviously physics, chemistry, and biology are heavily based on math, but even subjects like psychology and sociology have math in them. You just can't escape it. I know its difficult now but you'll do yourself a disservice by not learning it now. You can put it off to college where you'll have to pay in both money and time or you can try to get it out of the way now while its free.
 

Chris Rosene

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It's not just the "math" part that is extremely valuable - it is the problem solving skills that really apply to everyday life. Math teaches a methodical approach to solving all kinds of problems that no other discipline in school does.
 

Julie K

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When I am going to use logarithms in real life?

I'm reminded of the incident where zoo keepers were able to use a knowledge of logarithms.

Seems they had just gotten a shipment of rare sub-Kalaharian speckled puff adders. Since the snakes were endangered, the zoo keepers were naturally eager to breed them. Unfortunately, although they could get the snakes "in the mood", the pair were never able to sort out the, um, mechanics of the situation.

But then, one zoo keeper remembered his mathematics. He immediately constructed a small wooden surface. The snakes immediately took to it and made lots of baby snakes. The zoo keeper's co-workers were amazed until he told them that even adders can multiply on a log table.
 

Morgan Jolley

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I was extremely bored with Geometry, but since we didn't really do much, I didn't learn much that I didn't already know.

This year, I'm LOVING Algebra 2 (round here, we call it Advanced Algebra, and I'm in the Honors class). We just got done with Conics a month ago (which I ABSOLUTELY LOVED) and now we're doing something with weird systems and such. Easy stuff, and I actually enjoy it.

The saddest thing about my post is that its all true. I love math a LOT and have been able to get As and Bs pretty much since forever in it.
 

Holadem

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What the hell is Algebra II?
I will vouch for the usefulness of math, but again I would say that (Electrical Engineer)

Even if you do not choose a techinical field, you will gaina lot of problem solving skills by studying math.
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Holadem
 

Grant B

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I am a Rocket Scientist for Lockheed Martin Missiles and Space and I only use only the most basic formulas.....what do you think computers are for?????

Memorization is useless, understand the basics and you can figure everything else out
 

Alex-C

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Allow me to weigh in with my .02 here boys and girls,

bottom line: the ability to solve math problems will make you smarter.

You may argue that you'll never use differential calculus in everyday life, but you will gain ancillary benefits that will be used your entire life.

The point of learning and succeeding in Geometry, Trig, Algebra, analytical geometry, calculus, differential equations, etc. etc. etc. is not to use logarithims to do your taxes, but rather to expand your mind the way reading and writing expands your mind.

With all respect and as much encouragement as I can offer: just do it, and stop complaining. Your brain will thank you for it !

Good Luck.

A.W.C.

Civil Engineer
 

Julie K

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Grant,
Computers are great, but someone has to program them and check the answers. Disasters occur when people trust a computer's answer because "it's from the computer!"
While most things can be derived from the basics, you must first have a good grounding in the basics and have had examples of such derivations drilled into your head. That's what the schools are trying to do with these folks here. I've also been in situations where there is no time to derive relationships from basic principles, so it's good to have a bit more than the basics memorized.
 
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When are you ever going to use Algebra II. I can tell you when I used it.

After I got past Algebra II and Geometry I used them for Trigonometry class. Trig was very useful in my Calculus class. Calculus got my through high school. Then I wanted to be a computer programmer. Well, guess what. Then meant I could use my Calculus to learn Vector Calculus and Differential Equations. They were pre-reqs for the math you had to take as a CS major: Linear Algebra. After that I still needed a science credit so I had to dig out my now old Vector Cal and Diff Eq knowledge to use in my Partial Differential Equations class. You see, all this math you are learning today is useful for at least another 6 to 8 years. No since then I haven’t used much of it. I used a lot of Geometry and Linear Algebra in my graphics programming. But that is about it. Oh, once I had to help and intern at work with their Calculus homework.

Now, my sister is in advertising and all the math she would every need she learned well before Algebra I. I guess it depends on what you want to do.
 

NickSo

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I don't want to sit there and write out proofs proving that my answer is right
I agree, proofing the answers is one of the stupidest things ever. Not only do we have to be able to solve it, we gotta say HOW we solved it EXACTLY the way the teacher wants us to do it?! Well at least mine... stupid 'opposite angles equal sides equal'.. WTF?! Its a freakin Isoscolese triangle!!! Its triangle sum! WRONG! Its the Sum of a Triange... argh... but my math teacher is hilarious, i liek my math class...
Math i dunno comes easily for me. I just 'know' how to do it, which is why i hate proofing so much.
I like geometry to an extent i suppose because its more visual. Trig is not bad (SohCahToa!!!).
96% in math 11 honors (well not really, im in normal math, but my teacher also teaches Math 11H and he gives btoh classes the same work)..
 

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