TheDigitalBits and Adult DVD Escape.

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  1. Grady Hollums

    Grady Hollums Second Unit

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    I have sent an email to the people running The Digital Bits, and never got a response, but I really dislike the advertisements that I have been seeing on the web site lately.

    The Adult DVD Escape and The Digital Bits really should respect the viewers of their website and make sure there is not any provocative pictures in their banner ads.

    I am a very well educated man, and realize that The Digital Bits needs advertisers to stay in business, but I almost feel ashamed that I am viewing this site when I am anywhere but home, and even at home I don't want my children thinking that I am viewing a site that I feel is not in line with our family and social practices.

    Could The Digital Bits have any say in this and create any policy on what ads can or cannot contain?

    These ads really are keeping me from going to the website and I love the Digital Bits. I have viewed it for years now and support it any way I can!

    I have always looked a The Digital Bits as a very well informed and family friendly website, but honestly it's integrity has been hurt in my eyes.

    I am sure there are several other people like me that may take offense at the ads and was wondering if Bill or anyone there could take my opinion under consideration?

    Thank you for your time and energy! I don't want this post to hurt the integrity of Bill or any other people associated with The Digital Bits, but I would like to continue to send anyone and everyone to the website without wondering if their ads might be offensive.

    Thank you all so much for what you do @ The Digital Bits and I hope that you can take my opinion under consideration.
     
  2. Rain

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    I don't see any nudity in the ad.

    I see a head and shoulders photo of a girl in a somewhat provocative pose, though no more provocative than what you would see on TV any night of the week or in any mainstream publication.

    If you have a problem with the subject matter being advertised, don't click the link.

    Porn exists, whether The Digital Bits provides a link to it or not.

    What's the problem?

    By the way, I never even noticed the ad until you drew my attention to it.
     
  3. Carl Johnson

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    What's the problem? I just went to thedigitalbits.com and checked out the ad. It's just a box that says if you're interested in renting adult videos click here. I understand how someone could take offense if the ad featured nudity but that's hardly the case. If every banner were held to the "take it down for fear of offending .01% of people" standard then they couldn't advertise anything at all.
     
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    No problem here....people need to lighten up and realize that there are all kinds of diverse opinions out there.
     
  5. Grady Hollums

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    To everyone:

    I appreciate your views and opinions and would like to keep this discussion going. Thank you for your two cents.

    Rain:

    While I agree there is no nudity, the ad is still suggestive of pornography. It is one thing to show more of a woman on a Victoria S. ad and sell the clothes. It is a totally different ad to sell pornography. It is pornography that I find offensive and the ads are suggestive of it.

    Yes, pornography is in existence, but does that mean we have to promote it? I have seen and experienced the effects that the addiction to pornography has on marriages, relationships and lives, not to mention those involved in it. I have seen only problems and damaged relationships.

    I have come to expect quality and integrity from The Digital Bits and I feel the ads are hurting The Digital Bits' image.

    I apologize to draw your attention to it, it was intent to share my opinions with The Digital Bits and find if the ads were offensive to others.

    Carl:

    It is not just the box ad. If it were just a box ad with only text, then I would not have taken take up this issue as much and probably ignored it... but, the ads are on a cycle and you might need to refresh the web page to see what I am discussing.

    As far as the .01%... I think you would find that there are several other individuals that have noticed the ad and have taken offense at them. Once again, it is the image of The Digital Bits that I am concerned about, and where I feel comfortable viewing my favorite web site, because of pornographic suggestive advertising.

    Randy:

    I felt that my opinion mattered and wanted to make The Digital Bits aware of my opinion and find if others felt the same. Diverse Opinions are out there and I am expressing mine, just like you expressed yours. So, your suggestion to lighten up may not promote discussion and hurt your opinion. I have taken your point under consideration and appreciate it.

    Everyone:

    Since I put this topic up I have received several personal emails from others that share my same opinion and find the ads offensive. I am still awaiting The Digital Bits to comment on my stated opinion.

    I have seen several companies that care about their consumers and will actually take in consideration their opinions and make decisions that would promote the way they are viewed to the public.

    Thank you all for your opinions! This is a great discussion and hope that no one is offended, because that was never my intention. I desire to bring my opinion to The Digital Bits and to my fellow HTF members. Thank you.
     
  6. Andrew W

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  7. Grady Hollums

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    Andrew:

    I see your opinion, but I also know this is greatly debated among all people, and will leave that topic to another thread, and keep the focus on The Digital Bits and the advertising.

    (I have a feeling this thread may be closed in the near future if people's opinions turn to flaming. That is not my intention, and hope it does not come to that
     
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    Grady,

    While I can appreciate your take on the ad in question, and you articulated your point very well I am going to have to disagree. The ad could have just as easily been for shampoo. It's nothing compared to the explicit SPAM advertising in my inbox.

    Respectfully,

    JasenP
     
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  10. Grady Hollums

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    Yes that is very true, but you do want to please the most people that you can, and I believe that not advertising pornography will please more people than those who like pornography.
     
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    Grady,

    I appreciate the fact that you have vocalized your opinion in a calm and intelligent manner, though as you said,
     
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    Sadly Rain... I agree with you.

    Yall have a good week.
     
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    I don't know if advertised links work the same way now as they did when I had my DVD site a few years back (The DVD Info Page of Long Beach...for those who remember it), but when I put advertised links on my site and someone used it to go to that site and purchase something, then I got a percentage of the sale!

    If that's how it still works, then there is probably very little chance of The Digital Bits removing this link. I can almost guarantee that they are making quite a bit of percentage off it...maybe even more than they would with a "traditional" movie link...
     
  15. Bill Hunt

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    We maintain strict control of the banners so that nothing could be seen as offensive... unless you're offended by the idea of Adult DVDs themselves. The reality is that advertising is down all across the industry, and online advertising is the hardest hit. If the studios would make their advertising dollars more available, this wouldn't be an issue. But the reality is that unless you're a print publication, most of them don't.

    We publish the equivilant of a magazine every month at The Digital Bits. We just do it daily. And the service we provide to our readers costs money. Server costs, bandwidth, equipment updates... it's not cheap. Trust me, we're not getting rich. We're barely making enough to pay the bills each month. So we have to take the advertising when it comes. But we're very careful to make sure it's strictly controlled in terms of content. And NEVER have we foisted pop-ups ads on you, or all of the other kinds of annoying animated advertising that run around your screen when you're trying to read the site. Nor will we ever post such advertising, just FYI.

    The only other alternative we have to the kind of banner advertising we do accept, is that we start charging all of you a fee to access the site. And that goes against everything we're about at The Bits. So while I appreciate your differing points of view, I'm afraid those are the realities we have to accept.
     
  16. Grady Hollums

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    Bill:

    I must tell you thank you so much for addressing the issue! It is web sites like yours that I have followed since you have been on the net and I have even won a prize from you at the start! (thanks by the way)

    I appreciate your thoughts and the tell tell sings of problems with maintaining a web site in these days of advertising difficulty.

    I know that The Bits is not rolling in the money and that you are not making over $100,000 per year in the job you are doing. I can not express to you the enjoyment I get from reading The Bits. It is hands down the best web site for DVD news on the net.

    OK, I think I have made my thanks and appreciation known. Now for the issue...

    You are totally correct that it is the idea of Adult DVDs that is offensive. I fully understand that to run the site costs money, and we all (well maybe not ALL of us) know what it is like to survive pay check to pay check and barely make ends meat. And again, I appreciate that you keep the annoying pop-up ads away from your readers.

    I also, can understand that charging a fee goes against everything you have desired to be in a web site DVD news service provider.

    All of these are valid points and after this email I will not respond ot keep the topic going (thank you for listening and considering: that is all I could ask)

    First off.... I do not see any other Home Theater web sites (HTF, The Spot, HT Talk, AVS, IMDB, etc..) or HT Magazines (Sound and Vision, Home Theater Interiors, Home Theater Builder, DVD ETC, Widescreen Review, Stereophile Guide to HT, etc..) who advertise adult DVDs or any adult pornographic material on their web sites or magazines.

    2nd) What is wrong with providing a premium service to your viewers? There are several web sites that ask for donations and I personally would be proud to give The Digital Bits money to continue to provide the best DVD news on the web (even competing with magazines). I know of several web sites that have done this to great success and who knows you might not have to live pay check to pay check if this occurs, and you can provide a service that will not effect any of your regular readers. And just give your "premium" readers the change to turn on or off the ads and maybe be entered into the prizes twice if they correctly answer the trivia or such...I don't know, but the ads would be worth it for me, of course [​IMG])I personally would not be offended and have paid this this type of fee at several web sites. I consider it just as you said, The Bits is my favorite "magazine" and I would be willing to pay a subscription fee to give my support and help out the business.

    3rd) I do not know if this would be possible, but could you be able to make your web site advertisements better directed to your readers by asking them to fill out a small survey? This would make the advertiser happy that they would be pinpointing a specific population and better direct their advertising. (Something similar to what Weather Bug is doing with their regular service, if you know what I am talking about)

    4th) Is there any way that DVD Escape could just advertise their regular site and not the Adult section of the site? They would still get the hits, but I know...sex sells.

    5th) I just wanted to say think you for taking the time and energy to respond to my thoughts and opinions. I know that I am the only one that has responded in here, but I represent several other people and we all appreciate your desire to provide the service that you provide to your readers. I hope that a few of the suggestions that were given will be considered and I appreciate your help and care of addressing this issue.

    Take care and God bless! Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help The Digital Bits. It is and always will be my home page!
     
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    Grady, I support your desire to keep things you deem offensive out of your home. If more people took as active an interest in communicating their own morals to their children as concretely as you obviously are trying to, I truly believe the world would be a better place.

    However, I for one object to the means you are trying to use to accomplish your goals. You have decided that you should be able to patronize a site which obviously is not up to your moral snuff, but remain untainted by its questionable content.

    If you are not comfortable with the possibility that your children might see these ads and get the wrong idea, here's a novel idea: why don't you educate them by explaining to them that this site has links to things you don't support, how you can tell without clicking on those links, and why you don't support those things. By shedding light on the whole thing, you will have not only a greater opportunity to share your point of view with your children, but you will also eliminate the "attractive-by-way-of-mystery" element that lures so many otherwise moral children "astray."

    I hope this helps.
     
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    I feel very hesitant to post in this thread, due to my association with another website, but this topic is of merit, and the views expressed below are mine and in no reflect those of the site I work for.

     

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