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Discussion in 'TV on DVD and Blu-ray' started by ManuelIP, Apr 27, 2003.
Apparently, everyone here is so intent on blaming those music rights holders and not looking at the overall issue. While I understand everyone's concern both side of the issue are to blame, not just those parties who hodl the rights to the music. The music rights holders are to blame for not negotiating the rights for reasonable liscensing fees and the studios are to blame for not negotiating for those rights and paying the rights holders or the artists a fair an equitable price. With TV DVD profits goiing higher and higher the studios need to start addressing this and paying for certain pieces of music. WKRP is a prime example of this. All throughout the series they played hot songs and from hot artists during the seventies and eighties and this was the mistake they made.The show is a music liscensing hell to get on DVD because there are so many parties involved with that show. The studios don't want to relinquish their profits or cut into their profits by paying what the studios want for the cost of that music, despite the fact if the artists had already been paid for it duiring its initial broadcast run. Since the DVD market exploded with TV DVD sets, these studios are so glombed into this genre they they expect that those songs are theirs and they should be able to release the unedited versions with the songs intact for next to nothing. Apparently, everyone here thinks that these shows should be released without liscensing those songs for a new medium (DVD). Despite the arguments, and I would love to see this series released, the show is a nightmare for liscensed music rights holders. Each song has to be re-negotiated for the release for each episode and these studios are going to end up paying for the rights for that music or they won't release it ... period.
I see what you are saying but I still am pissed off why a decent agreement cant be made so both parties benefit. End of the day, its down to one party being more greedier than the other. Simple as....
First, I do agree that the rights-holders are probably asking too much, and they should agree to a reasonable amount, but with a lot of songs for a series, they should be dipping into the profits of other shows that have been released. Although way off the mark, look at Star Trek. No music rights, and selling for $100 a season. I'd love to see the net profit margin they made off of those! The same goes for movies with or without any music. Why don't the studios release the movies that might barely break even, using profits from other shows? Glenn
As Gord pointed out, that's not a reasonable buisness practice.
First, while studios make profits from these shows when they are release to DVD, it's only fair to those agencies who hold the rights to the music that appears in these shows that they either share in the profits or pay for the rights to use that music when it's released to DVD. Addendum: Originally, when music is created for a television show that music is only negotiated for broadcasting rights. Furthermore, most studios generally don't negotiate for the rights for eventual release to DVD because it's generally not known how successful a particular series will do during its original broadcast dates. Side Notes: It hasn't been known until recently that some studios have begun negotiating for the rights of particular music created for a television show for its eventual release to DVD. A reasonable course of action by these studios. While these studios do try to negotiate most often there is a minor point that is often holding them up and they are not neccessary due to the price on how much these television studios will pay. This most often have to do with a variety of things such as a share in the profits due to future sales of the DVD sets. Bear in mind that the prices that the rights holders have maye have to do with payments for a certain number of sets produced. Secondary, there are two different sides on the music side of this issue. This most likely has to do with the payment that the artists for that song want added to the fact on how much the studio wants for its own particular fee. Please be aware that I do sympathize with everyone here. I would greatly appreciate the fact if they would release "The Wonder Years" and WKRP" and many of those other shows and while I respect the rights of these studios to want to negotiate for a reasonable price for the liscensing of that music I also respect the rights of the creators of their music to be able to get paid for using their music. On the other hand, with shows like WKRP, what everyone doesn't realize here, is that this show probably has a million different songs that they would need to negotiate for and this being released on DVD was probably something that never occured to the studios back in the 70's and 80's The only way a show like WKRP and The Wonder Years could get released is if they agreed to pay the rights holders a percentage of the profits from the DVD sales. All parties would benefit by such an agreement and it takes a lot of time to negotiate things like this from all parties.
Then for WKRP & WY, we may as well forget it. It just ain't gonna happen, period. Glenn
I certainly don't fault anyone for using basic economics in decisions regarding release of this show. That doesn't mean we can't discuss whether the parties are making intelligent business decisions. Let me illustrate: AFAIK, WY uses only a part of each song. If the rights holders are expecting payment based on the whole song, then I have doubts that the studios are asking an unfair price for using the music. An argument can be made that, if anything, the use of that snippet of song on the DVD will actually promote sales of the artist's CDs, since the DVD purchaser isn't getting the whole song, and is not buying the show just for the songs. Because of this, put me in the camp of those who think the recording studios/artists are using "extortion-like" strategies to unfairly mine the TV studio's goldmine of TV-on-DVD.
Actually, Louis, you have it wrong. Most studios or those agents who hold the rights to a song won't negotiate with a studio who wants only "part" of a song. They usually end up negotiating for the song "in general." I've never heard of a studio for a series negotiating for part of a song.
The case with WKRP is that WKRP has so many shows which appears during the season run which leads to a rights nightmare. WKRP has lots of music because during the old days of TV, the recording industry had a rule which stated that if you recorded your shows on videotape instead of film, you get a discount on the music & this is the reason why WKRP has so much music.
Fox Germany is planning to release The Wonder Years - Season One in early 2006, so that voting appearantly helped. I will keep you updated on all the details as they become available.
Season one is also due for release in the UK on 13th March.
Wow, if we don't get it here then this may be the final push I need to finally get a region-free DVD player. This and Blake's 7 on DVD are the only two shows left that I MUST OWN!
YOU BEAUTY Cheers mate, made my day.
I can only presume that music rights must be less costly to clear here in the UK than in the States, hence the forthcoming release of The Wonder Years and the intact music on the Quantum Leap discs. This also might be why we've had the complete series of Ally McBeal out on DVD over here, compared with only a "Best Of" release (?) in the U.S.
Has anyone actually confirmed that all of the original music is intact? If the answer is "yes" then I too will be buying a region-free player.