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Johnny Angell

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I hope this hasn't been covered elsewhere, if so, close the thread and point me to it. It's kinda hard to search for this.

So far, every BR disc I've watched has crippled the stop button. After pressing stop, I always get a message telling me that the next time I press play, the movie will start over, resuming is prohibited.

I have a release 2 (sony 550) player and I'm wondering what kind of crappy "feature" this is. Why are they making this design decision? It certainly does not add value for the consumer and I don't see how letting me resume a movie hurts the studios. I don't understand this.
 

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BD-Java encoded titles cannot STOP/RESUME. From what I understand the BDA and the studios are trying to come up with a work around via a software update.
 

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I hope they do that soon. That's very annoying because of having to go through all the start-up warnings every time.
 

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Maybe if they spent less money freezing out the competition and more on developing the product, this wouldn't be a problem.
 

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I thought of this thread last night while watching Casino Royale. We had paused the film to get a drink, and I dropped the remote control when attempting to restart. The stop button was accidentally pressed in the process. I had to fast forward through all the previews (thanks for those forced previews, Sony), re-watch all the FBI warnings, and then find the spot where we left off. :angry:

How un-user friendly can you be?
 

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The function is so profoundly elementary, that I have a hard time believing that some equivalent couldn't have been implemented from Day One. Can a feature be any more basic? I could do as much with my first VHS deck.

Sounds like the root of its absence is suspiciously thoughtless and stupid.
 

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Just one more reason for me to wait to upgrade, maybe by the time I can afford both a player and a new receiver, someone will have figured this out.
 

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Their intent was that the bookmarking feature would replace the resume function. However, the bookmark feature has been haphazardly implemented. They also underestimated the basic laziness of human beings. Most people can't be bothered with using bookmarking, even when it is implemented.
 

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Dearest Edwin-S,

There's something slightly condescending in your remark about underestimated human laziness. These gutter level issues of practicality and simplicity shouldn't have to be worried with or considered. As Sherlock said: It's elementary.

Perhaps the primary reason for it not being used, is the haphazard implementation, or the very roundabout way of placing and recalling the bookmark. I can think of dozens...no, hundreds of reasons for needing to stop a disc in progress, that have nothing to do with laziness. Ever had a toddler in the house?

If technology such as Blu-ray discs and players can be developed, something as elementary as "resume" can be implemented, and should have been from day one. BD-Java be damned. Either it can be worked with, or another technology that over-rides or works around, can be, and should have been implemented. End of story.
 

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I totally agree that it should work (the stop function) on BD (and HD DVD, for that matter, as this issue exists with my two HD DVD players as well) as it does with DVDs and CDs. I have found myself adapting by simply using the pause button (it serves me well for most situations where I might otherwise have stopped the disc). It is an imperfect solution as it does not address the issue directly (and I still sometimes hit the stop button by accident--always annoyed when that happens) but it can be a partial solution (once the reflex is developed).
 

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Interesting variations of player use. PS3 here. I never use the Stop button. If I'm going to pop another disc in I hit Eject. Otherwise I always use Pause, even before shutting down. I have no idea if this makes a difference, but from what you guys say it doesn't.

But the other day I did notice something. I think. I popped in a BD I had watched before, and it let me quickly blow past all the warning stuff...couldn't do that before, I am forever optimistic and always try with every disc... Could this have been possible or my imagination (good timing of me pressing the Skip button)? I do notice the PS3 "remembers" a lot of discs I've watched, though I don't quite have a handle on exactly what it knows.
 

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That's an obvious choice that works for some brief occasions, but it's a long way from being a replacement function. Even for relatively brief interruptions, I've paused my Samsung BD-P1400, only to have it time-out, which has the same effect as hitting the stop button. I haven't timed the time-out, but it has happened on three occasions during events that took me away for only a few brief minutes.
 

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Damn straight!

I have an unfortunate habit of thinking I can finish a movie I start at 9:30pm and find an hour later I'm too sleeply to continue. Pause does me no good, I have to stop.

Let's face it, this is just one example of how consumers have grown used to tech products having poor design issues and living with it and the creators of these products know we'll put up with it. It seems the more things get better the more they get worse.
 

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Even VHS let you resume watching where you stopped the tape!
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There seem to be a number of "features" of BD that simply defy any relation to accepted - and expected - behaviour of a home video product. I am sure that >95% of the people who will be getting a BD player have no use for most of the gimmicks and just want to watch the movie the way they always have been able to on VHS or DVD.
 

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I have an SD DVD player where hitting the stop button resets the disc the same way BD and HD DVD players do, so it is not unique to the hi-def players (though, admittedly, my player is 4 years old and such a problem is not common--just pointing out it is not unique).
 

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BD does need a resume function. But while they work on an update, it would help if discs just went immediately to the main menu.

With VOD and downloads perceived as threats to packaged media, it seems studios would do all they could to make packaged media enjoyable.

By dropping the parade of disclaimers, copyright warnings, forced previews, logos, commercials, stuff about how the commentary may not reflect opinions at the studio, and more, then users could at least use the menu to chapter forward where they left off.

Can you imagine if each time you wanted to listen to a CD, you had to go through all of that to get to the first song??!!
 

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