1. Sign-up to become a member, and most of the ads you see will disappear. It only takes 30 seconds to sign up, so join the discussion today!
    Dismiss Notice

The Lion King (2019)

Discussion in 'Movies' started by Jake Lipson, Nov 2, 2017.

Tags:
  1. Jake Lipson

    Jake Lipson Lead Actor

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    6,544
    Likes Received:
    3,895
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Real Name:
    Jake Lipson
    Nope. While I understand the sentiment and agree that Jeremy Irons was absolutely sensational in that role, Scar is now Chiwetel Ejiofor.

    We're already talking about this movie basically appearing to be a shot-for-shot recreation of the original in CGI. If they start bringing back voice talent to redo exactly what they did before, then this becomes an even more pointless exercise than it is already at significant risk of being. James Earl Jones is so incredibly distinctive that I can understand the choice to bring him back, but if Irons comes back, then you'd have people saying, "Well, why not [fill in the blank]?" until every living actor in the original cast was back. At least the use of new voice talent will give us new interpretations of the roles.
     
  2. Edwin-S

    Edwin-S Lead Actor
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2000
    Messages:
    7,801
    Likes Received:
    1,325
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    I saw the trailer for this in front of "Captain Marvel" tonight. What a waste of 1's and 0's. The whole thing is nothing but a lazy shot-for-shot waste of money and digital resources. I watched the first two shots and the only thing I could think of was "Why bother?"

    The only thing they managed to do is plagiarize the superior work of the original animators. It came across like a parody. I would have been embarrassed to put my name on something so worthless if I was a director. It is "Alan Smithee" quality work AFAIAC.

    Iger is the worst. He makes Michael Eisner look like a patron of the Arts.
     
  3. Jake Lipson

    Jake Lipson Lead Actor

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    6,544
    Likes Received:
    3,895
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Real Name:
    Jake Lipson
    I think it looks fine. It seems uninspired, sure, but the craftsmanship is certainly very high. If Disney is going to do something to milk their old properties, I would much rather have this than another cheap direct-to-video knockoff like they were doing in the '90s and early 2000s. (That being said, The Lion King sequels were in the upper crust of that class, for sure, but you see my point.) At least this one is being given an actual budget they can work with and it can't be accused of being cheap.
     
  4. Edwin-S

    Edwin-S Lead Actor
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2000
    Messages:
    7,801
    Likes Received:
    1,325
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    I'm not judging it by its looks. I am, however, judging it based on its need to exist when the only thing it brings to the game is photo-realistic animals. It certainly isn't cheap in its visual quality. IMO, what makes it "cheap" is that it is nothing more than a knock off, no matter how good it looks. It is like the "live action" equivalent of taking an older work and drawing over top of it like Disney did when they made "Robin Hood", except for that film they at least managed a semblance of originality with the story and characters. The same cannot be said for "The Lion King".
     
  5. Jake Lipson

    Jake Lipson Lead Actor

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    6,544
    Likes Received:
    3,895
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Real Name:
    Jake Lipson
    I think we just disagree here, again.

    I will agree that if it is a shot-for-shot remake, its creative need to exist is questionable at best. I'll even agree that most of what they've shown us looks that way so far.

    However, I will continue to hold out some hope that there are some surprises in it that won't be shot-for-shot until I actually see the movie. I will say that I am concerned with how much of it looks the same -- but they could always be saving the new stuff for the actual movie.

    And I also think that -- if Disney was going to find another way of doing a cash-grab based on their old properties -- a remake that looks nice is less bothersome to me than a direct-to-video sequel that was made as quickly and cheaply as possible without regard to quality.

    That doesn't mean either needs to happen, but if something was going to happen, Disney could have done a lot worse than this. Hell, The Lion Guard on Disney Channel is a lot worse than this.
     
  6. Edwin-S

    Edwin-S Lead Actor
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2000
    Messages:
    7,801
    Likes Received:
    1,325
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    I haven't seen "The Lion Guard". From what I could tell it was Disney's cynical attempt to cash in on the popularity of "MLP: Friendship is Magic" that was occurring at the time. Frankly, to me, what amounts to "painting" over an older previous work is "Lion Guard" quality work.
    Maybe there will be something new in it but the trailer out now certainly indicates that that isn't the case.
     
  7. Jake Lipson

    Jake Lipson Lead Actor

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    6,544
    Likes Received:
    3,895
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Real Name:
    Jake Lipson
    You don't want to. The pilot invents a story about how Scar had a magic super-powered roar which gave him powers that he used to kill a bunch of other lions. Even though, you know, if he had such a thing, he could have just used it to kill Mufasa and Simba and saved himself the trouble of, basically, the whole movie. Then Simba's son inherits the magic roar and uses it to help protect the Pride Lands. Even though SImba's son isn't in-canon, and it basically disregards Simba's Pride, even though Kiara is in it.

    There was another episode in which the hyenas consult Scar's ghost. The character who finds out how to accomplish this for them simply asks, "If Simba can talk to Mufasa, could somebody talk to, say, Scar?", and that doesn't raise any alarm bells at all. In the Pride Lands, Scar is the equivilant of a terrorist, so, you know, asking if you could talk to him from beyond the grave should strike our central characters as odd. I only tuned in for this episode because David Oyelowo was voicing Scar, and I suspected Disney might be using the show as a de-facto audition for the role of Scar in the remake. (This was before Chiwetel Ejiofor was cast in the role.) Although I don't like what The Lion Guard did with Scar, I actually thought Oyelowo did a great job voicing him, and he sang a song too. I was kind of surprised when they didn't go with him for the remake, although I like Ejiofor too and am looking forward to his take on the character.
     
  8. Jake Lipson

    Jake Lipson Lead Actor

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    6,544
    Likes Received:
    3,895
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Real Name:
    Jake Lipson
     
  9. Message #89 of 93 Apr 12, 2019
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2019
    benbess

    benbess Producer

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2009
    Messages:
    3,423
    Likes Received:
    1,826
    Trophy Points:
    4,110
    Real Name:
    Ben
    As we know, ten years ago Disney transitioned to its "all tentpole all the time" strategy. Given that, they are going to exploit every IP they have to create ten or so event movies a year. If Superman/Batman/Spiderman get reinvented and rebooted every decade or so, then I can accept that after 25 years The Lion King would get rebooted as well.

    I have had superhero fatigue for many years, and so for me it is somewhat refreshing that any mega-budget movie is something else. Anything else. I'm ready. In fact, I'm looking forward to it.

    However, I'm still sad that Disney killed traditional animation. I think they should have kept it in the mix, and I hope someday that they bring traditional animation back.
     
    Josh Steinberg likes this.
  10. Message #90 of 93 Apr 14, 2019
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2019
    Jake Lipson

    Jake Lipson Lead Actor

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    6,544
    Likes Received:
    3,895
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Real Name:
    Jake Lipson
    Lebo M., who sang the opening Swahili chant in Circle of Life and and also worked on other music for the 1994 film and Broadway musical), is apparently and unsurprisingly back for the remake too.

    Don Hahn (the producer of the animated film, who is also working on the remake) just posted a photo of Lebo M. and Jon Favreau on his Facebook page. He wrote, "The amazing Lebo M. and Jon Favreau! It's music time on The Lion King!!" They must be recording the score now or something.
     
  11. Message #91 of 93 Apr 25, 2019
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2019
    Jake Lipson

    Jake Lipson Lead Actor

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    6,544
    Likes Received:
    3,895
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Real Name:
    Jake Lipson
    The Lion King is the cover story of Entertainment Weekly's Summer Movie Preview issue:

    Lion King EW cover.

    The article is extremely detailed about the virtual reality production process: https://ew.com/movies/2019/04/25/the-lion-king-cover-story/

    Also, there was a rumor some pages ago that Be Prepared was being cut out of the new film. Not so; the article specifically mentions that it's still in.
     
  12. Jake Lipson

    Jake Lipson Lead Actor

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    6,544
    Likes Received:
    3,895
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Real Name:
    Jake Lipson
    Seth Rogen was on The Late Late Show to promote Long Shot, but The Lion King came up briefly. Here's the clip:

     
  13. Jake Lipson

    Jake Lipson Lead Actor

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    6,544
    Likes Received:
    3,895
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Real Name:
    Jake Lipson
    Yay for tie-ins!

    James Earl Jones, Hans Zimmer and Jon Favreau are among the list of honorees being named Disney Legends at this year's D23 Expo in August. Coincidentally or not, this will happen about six weeks or so after the theatrical release of the new Lion King.

    I'm kind of surprised James Earl Jones, in particular, hasn't already been given this designation. They named Whoopi Goldberg a Disney Legend at the last D23 Expo in 2017.

    https://d23.com/2019-disney-legends/
     

Share This Page

Movie information in first post provided by The Movie Database