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The Last Ship Season 5 (TNT)

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  1. Adam Lenhardt

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    The fifth and final season will premiere Sunday, Sept. 9, at 9 p.m. (ET/PT).

    Very disappointing that they held this for the fall. It was the perfect summer show.

    Press release:
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    Glad to finally see it on the schedule. I watch this strictly on dvr so the premiere date is not bothersome (I work 2nd shift), but I did have a terrible dry spell this summer. Since I am almost done with network series anyway, it is good to have something new to look forward to for at least 10 weeks or so.
     
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    yay!
     
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    Guess I’ll should finally watch s4 off my dvr.
     
  5. Adam Lenhardt

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    New Poster (click to enlarge):
    TheLastShip_S05_001.

    New Promo ("Hope"):
     
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    The new season premieres two weeks from Sunday!

    New Promo ("Hoorah"):
     
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    Can't wait! One of my favorite shows!
     
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    Very strong season premiere, I thought. Hubris meets hubris.

    The United States has had three years of peace since the rust-resistant crops were introduced and the famine ended. Because it developed the cure, it spread across the U.S. first and the Red Flu, devastating as it was, was still less devastating than elsewhere in the world. As a result, it stood astride a devastated and depleted world as the sole superpower.

    Given those facts, you can just about buy that the U.S. military would make the colossal strategic folly of gathering its entire fleet in one place, and send civilians crawling all over it. Success and security breeds hubris.

    But Gustavo “Tavo” Barros (played by the great Maurice Compte) has more than his fair share of arrogance, too. His revolutionary movement has apparently succeeded in unifying most of northern South America as "Gran Colombia". He has come to power at a time of great strife and chaos, which are like jet fuel for populist movements. The economic engine of the Panama Canal has secured the government of Panama and prevented him from expanding his borders north into Central America.

    He engineered a stone that would kill many, many birds: The leadership of Panama would eliminated, the Americans would be blamed for it, the American fleet would devastated, and he would be David who had taken down Goliath.

    It was a bold, elegant move. But it was remarkably foolhardy:
    • Japan tried to defeat the United States with a decisive surprise attack that would take the Pacific Fleet out for good. The attack gave Japan a significant head start and hastened the transition from war between battleships to war fought in the skies, but it did not change the the long-term dynamics that worked against Japan. The same is true here; this was a devastating attack, but it does not change the long-term dynamics that work against Gran Colombia.
    • Launching an attack of this scale and magnitude is a remarkably risky gamble against a country with more than 4,000 nuclear missiles, manned with 1980s technologically specifically maintained to protect against this sort of cyber attack. Barros presupposes that the United States will either be too devastated to counterattack, or that the counterattack will come in the form of conventional warfare. The United States could just as easily turn a large section of South America into a sheet of glass.
    • Clearly, the U.S. military satellites have been targeted, because so many of the systems underpinning the twenty-first century military are dependent on those satellites. Barros is betting that the United States will not be able to mount an effective military response if reduced to World War II-era technology. This again ignores the fact that the United States post-Flu has the most intact military in the world, with the most continuity and the best training. Every single service member has been challenged by these calamities in ways that their pre-Flu predecessors could scarcely have imagined. And the military plans for contingencies. The Americans are better trained, more experienced, and this devastating attack has filled them with terrible resolve.
    • Even if the United States does not want to take the drastic step of using nuclear weapons on civilian populations, it could still return the favor of this cyber attack by detonating a nuke or two in the mid-stratosphere. The resulting electromagnetic pulse would take out most electronics across a wide area.
    • Within the context of this show, Tom Chandler has proven himself to be one of the great military minds of recorded history. As many previous bad guys have discovered, if you come after him, you'd better not miss. Barros believes that, because of his success so far, he is better and smarter than the Americans. He has never been tested by the likes of Chandler before.
    • Tom Chandler is a difficult person to make the face of your enemy, because he is not just an American hero, he is a global hero. Barros can try and vilify him, but many of the common people will remember that Chandler is the man who saved them from illness, and then saved them from starvation. There is a lot of well-founded distrust toward the United States in South America because of our many misadventures down there, but Chandler and the Nathan James would be somewhat isolated from that.
    • An attack like Pearl Harbor or this one depends on complete victory. The Japanese missed the aircraft carriers. Barros missed the Nathan James. These are potentially fatal mistakes.
    So yes, it was a horrible set back for the United States and our protagonists -- including the deaths of a couple characters who've been on the show since the beginning -- but Barros will need a lot more to go right if he's going to carry the day.
     
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    My favorite bit in last night's episode was the recently elected president expressing his reservations to Russ, now the Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy: The weakness of Tavos's movement is that it is built around a cult of personality. What the new president begrudgingly acknowledges is that the reformulated United States of America is also built around a cult of personality. And what Tavos is a charismatic rallier for his cause, to the Americans Chandler is the messiah. It puts the confidence of a nation on the shoulders of one man. And Tavos's tarot card-wielding wife knows it.

    Either her behavior is one hell of a red herring, or Granderson's girlfriend is being coerced into helping Tavos sabotage the Americans.

    They've done a good job this season of not having everybody just fall back into their old roles. Quite a bit of time transpired between seasons, and you feel it because of the different roles.
     
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    Ok. Unless my WW2 background is outdated, there are no Iowa Class battleships that are not Museums outside the US. 6 keels were laid down, and only 4 were built.
    USS Iowa. In Los Angeles
    USS New Jersey. In New Jersey
    USS Missouri in Pearl Harbor
    USS Wisconsin in Norfolk Va.

    So how did Tavo did a Iowa class Battleship???
     
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    Was not all that happy with tonight's episode. Most of it was decent, but is the goal to kill off as many of the original crew before the end?

    I thought that Granderson's death was just stupid. A trained naval officer can't disable an unarmed civilian? And trying to answer the phone first, instead of restraining the recently revealed terrorist? Whatever goodwill the episode had was drained away in that final scene.
     
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    Given how things ended with last night's episode, I'm anticipating a time jump of at least a few months since it'll take a way to repair the Nathan James back to fighting shape again.

    There was a lot of time during the instability following the pandemic where one of the museum ships could have gone missing, but hopefully they'll at least have a throwaway line explaining it in a future episode.

    If there is a time jump, it'll be interesting to see if the U.S. can get some new military satellites up in the air. If the Nathan James can start using guided missiles again, a World War II-era battleship wouldn't stand much of a chance.

    Yeah, I found that frustrating too. It was pretty obvious that the mole was either General Kinkaid -- always resistant to any plan that might do real damage to the enemy -- or Granderson's girlfriend. And as she asked more and more tactically-sensitive questions, it became pretty clear that it was the girlfriend. So it wasn't exactly a shocking reveal when it happened.

    And then the execution of the, er, execution was poor. If they wanted this outcome, they should have made Granderson's girlfriend well-trained instead of making Granderson sloppy.
     
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    Agreed. I've really enjoyed The Last Ship over its five-year run, and have especially liked the overall premise of this season in particular, but how many orignal crewmembers are the producers going to kill off before the show ends? :(
     
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    They're a few months into the war now.

    I liked that we got a glimpse of the damaged home lives of our characters this week: Burke's brother is missing most of his leg and is badly burned; Danny Green has been avoiding his son at all costs, taking one dangerous mission after another; even when Chandler is home, he is not present.

    This was one of those episodes where you could tell that they filmed this season and last season back-to-back, because Grace Kaufman (Chandler's daughter Ashley) looks quite a bit younger than she does on "Man With a Plan". Being a minor with series regular status on another series, it presumably was hard to get her back, even for an episode, so they fit her into the shooting schedule based on her availability. Despite that, she did a good job playing older than previous appearances, so you buy into the passage of time. Their screaming match was really effective, because nobody was really in the wrong there: all of her points were entirely valid, but at the same time Chandler isn't capable at this point of being who his kids needed him to be. I really hope the finale episode is handled like the final episode of "Orphan Black", where the external conflict is over within the first 15 minutes or so, and the remainder of the finale is spending with our characters seeing if they can find the peace that Ashley talked about.

    I love it when a show like this takes the time to weave in bits of world building. I'm not convinced that the Southern aristocracy would have necessarily survived the Red Flu and all of the deprivation and upheaval that followed in its wake, but seeing the graves of the young woman's father and siblings along the side of the house, seeing the way she used the hankerchief at the party and styled her hair in the later scene to hide her scars, it's a reminder that nobody has come through the events of this series unscathed. If you're alive five years later, you've seen some things and done some things that haunt you.

    Chandler at this point reminds me a bit of Douglas MacArthur circa the Korean War: he is a national hero, far more beloved than his commander-in-chief, and so battle-hardened and experienced at this point that he's a bit resentful of his commander-in-chief's interference. Chandler easily could have become a military dictator when the Nathan James arrived back with the cure, or he could have gone the Eisenhower route and easily won the presidency in his own right. He has shown admirable restraint restoring the civilian chain of command and reinstituting American constitutional government. But his lack of deference to President Reiss is dangerous, especially because Reiss's fears are well grounded. Chandler always wants to be in the thick of the action, doesn't trust that things will go right unless he is. But that's not where he's most valuable at this point, and his loss both as a great military mind and as a national symbol would be a devastating setback.
     
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    Oh man.

    Where do I start? How incredibly stupid an episode ending.

    This episode is almost enough to wipe away 4 1/2 years of a great show.

    I'm not even sure I want to watch the final episodes if this is where we've come to.

    I'm just ... I don't know.
     
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    I didn't love it, either. There's just no way they bring a known enemy combatant into the heart of the U.S. military's command center. When she turned herself in, she should have been escorted by MPs to a secure location offsite but nearby for interrogation.

    And given how there's a significant time jump between episodes just about every week now, I wish they hadn't wasted last season on crazy Greeks with seeds and instead devoted all twenty episodes to this war between the Americas.
     
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    Amen! WTH was that all about anyway?
     
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    No. No. Just fuking, NOI!

    She would have been
    1.) Bare arsed naked,
    2.) Douched
    3.) Enema'd
    and
    4.) Shaved hairless
    by the time she was 20 minutes into captivity.

    I do not care WHO was having a seizure, NOBODY walks into that command site un-authorized.

    Why, in God's name, would they have taken HER CAR to steal an ambulance?

    Where did they get the Intel to build the dummy command site? And why? What need was there?

    Not to even mention the fact that there was route into Camp X, that just happened to be known only to some kid, whose parents were helping the attacker, but the kid only decides to tell them about it at the last minute.
     
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    Welcome to the new ‘Pentagon’ security.

    “Oh, wave them through”
     
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    :rolling-smiley:
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    I was just about to jump through the TV to slap some sense into everyone. Who does stupid things like that??? Guess I will finish this out, but man what unrealistic security measures. The minute she walked in, I was expecting a trap, why weren't they???
     
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