The "Kill Your Idols" Poll

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  1. Angelo.M

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    A few weeks ago I posted a thread about a recent book called "Kill Your Idols," in which most of the sacred cows of "classic rock" (and a few more recent "classics") are rounded skewered by younger critics. Not quite Lester Bangs writing about Astral Weeks, if you know what I mean.

    Well, at the time I posted the thread, no one cared; no responses, and it quickly died away. [​IMG] But, inspired by a thread over in Movies, I thought it might be fun to post the list of albums "reviewed" in the book, and let folks rate them with [​IMG] 's or letter grades or whatever. Have fun.

    This is the list:

    The Beatles, Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band
    The Beach Boys, Pet Sounds
    The Beach Boys, Smile
    The Who, Tommy
    The MC5, Kick Out the Jams
    The Byrds, Sweetheart of the Rodeo
    Captain Beefheart and & His Magic Band, Trout Mask Replica
    Derek and the Dominos, Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs
    Led Zeppelin, IV
    Neil Young, Harvest
    The Rolling Stones, Exile on Main Street
    The Eagles, Desperado
    Lynyrd Skynyrd, Pronounced Leh-nerd Skin-nerd
    Gram Parsons, GP/Grievous Angel
    The Doors, The Best of the Doors
    Pink Floyd, The Dark Side of the Moon
    Bob Dylan, Blood on the Tracks
    Patti Smith, Horses
    Bob Marley & the Wailers, Exodus
    Fleetwood Mac, Rumours
    Paul & Linda McCartney, Ram
    John Lennon / Yoko Ono, Double Fantasy
    The Sex Pistols, Never Mind the Bollocks...Here’s the Sex Pistols
    Dead Kennedys, Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables
    Bruce Springsteen, Born to Run
    Bruce Springsteen, Born in the U.S.A.
    Elvis Costello and the Attractions, Imperial Bedroom
    U2, The Joshua Tree
    Public Enemy, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
    Nirvana, Nevermind
    The Smashing Pumpkins, Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
    Radiohead, OK Computer
    Wilco, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
     
  2. Ike

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    I'm game. Out of five:

    The Beatles, Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    The Beach Boys, Pet Sounds
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] 1/2

    The Who, Tommy
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] 1/2

    The MC5, Kick Out the Jams
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] 1/2

    Captain Beefheart and & His Magic Band, Trout Mask Replica
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Led Zeppelin, IV
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Neil Young, Harvest
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] 1/2 (I like Neil, and there's some great songs, but some of the songs on Harvest are awful-I can't stand There's a World.)

    The Rolling Stones, Exile on Main Street
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    The Eagles, Desperado
    [​IMG] [​IMG] 1/2

    Pink Floyd, The Dark Side of the Moon
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] 1/2 (Not my favorite Floyd record, but genuinely good)

    Bob Dylan, Blood on the Tracks
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] 1/2

    Patti Smith, Horses
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] 1/2 (The Land Trilogy is absolutely mind blowing)

    The Sex Pistols, Never Mind the Bollocks...Here’s the Sex Pistols
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    (This one's tough; it's a classic, but I'm mixed on it. There are good songs on there beyond the singles, but it's not some monster classic)

    Nirvana, Nevermind
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    (In Utero is way better, IMO)

    Radiohead, OK Computer
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] 1/2 (Good, but I like Kid A better)

    Wilco, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] (Good, but not classic)


    There are none I'd consider awful, aside from my personal dislike of The Eagles.
     
  3. TomCW

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    Neil Young, Harvest
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    He was ahead of his time.

    The Eagles, Desperado
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] 1/2
    It tells a story, and that's kinda neat.

    Pink Floyd, The Dark Side of the Moon
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] 1/2
    It's fun on Multi-channel SACD.

    Fleetwood Mac, Rumours
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    People love gossip!

    Wilco, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
    1/2
    I just don't get Wilco, maybe I'm expecting too much, like a melody or something.

    The rest I really have no opinion on, mostly because I've heard them so many times I'm sick of them.

    Tom
     
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    Well, I am not up to rating the whole taco at the moment, but if I recall, the Skynyrd LP in the book was "reviewed" by the life style writer of my local paper (the Albuquerque Journal), Leanne Potts.

    She reprinted her "contribution" in the local rag. Geesh, you know, its just frickin' rock and roll, and she took it to task as though she were commenting on great literature.

    She is of the mindset that "old = bad" and "new = good" as far as music is concerned, so it was not a shock reading her drivel.

    Seems to me there was a web site a while back that did something similar.

    What I would have to say though is that the authors of the book do not seem to discriminate in terms of who's cow gets skewered.

    There are a few titles on there that are critics darlings that I personally despise (Springsteen, Radiohead, Beach Boys), and some I hold dear (Zep, Derek and the Domino's), so I guess I would consider the book as an attempt to piss off as many people as possible, and thus generate the most buzz, and thus sell the most books.

    I never much had any use for critics of any kind, particularly music, and I still don't.

    BGL
     
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    The Beatles, Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    The Beach Boys, Pet Sounds
    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG] 1/2

    The Who, Tommy
    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

    Led Zeppelin, IV
    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

    Pink Floyd, The Dark Side of the Moon
    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]1/2

    U2, The Joshua Tree
    [​IMG][​IMG]1/2

    Public Enemy, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

    Nirvana, Nevermind
    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

    The Smashing Pumpkins, Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
    [​IMG][​IMG]1/2

    Radiohead, OK Computer
    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]1/2

    Wilco, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
    [​IMG][​IMG]

    CJ
     
  6. Rachael B

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    I don't like to rate things much, unless they really, really suck maybe! I've heard all but 4 of the albums on the list, so I feel confident to rate the lot worth listening to...
     
  7. Colin Jacobson

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    The Beatles, Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    The Beach Boys, Pet Sounds
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    The Beach Boys, Smile
    No opinion - never heard it
    The Who, Tommy
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    The MC5, Kick Out the Jams
    No opinion
    The Byrds, Sweetheart of the Rodeo
    No opinion
    Captain Beefheart and & His Magic Band, Trout Mask Replica
    Haven't heard it all, but based on what I've heard?
    [​IMG]
    Derek and the Dominos, Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Led Zeppelin, IV
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Neil Young, Harvest
    No opinion
    The Rolling Stones, Exile on Main Street
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    The Eagles, Desperado
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Lynyrd Skynyrd, Pronounced Leh-nerd Skin-nerd
    [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Gram Parsons, GP/Grievous Angel
    No opinion
    The Doors, The Best of the Doors
    [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Pink Floyd, The Dark Side of the Moon
    [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Bob Dylan, Blood on the Tracks
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Patti Smith, Horses
    No opinion
    Bob Marley & the Wailers, Exodus
    No opinion
    Fleetwood Mac, Rumours
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Paul & Linda McCartney, Ram
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    John Lennon / Yoko Ono, Double Fantasy
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    The Sex Pistols, Never Mind the Bollocks...Here’s the Sex Pistols
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Dead Kennedys, Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables
    No opinion
    Bruce Springsteen, Born to Run
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Bruce Springsteen, Born in the U.S.A.
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Elvis Costello and the Attractions, Imperial Bedroom
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    U2, The Joshua Tree
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Public Enemy, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
    No opinion
    Nirvana, Nevermind
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    The Smashing Pumpkins, Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Radiohead, OK Computer
    No opinion (own it but haven't listened to it yet! :b )
    Wilco, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
    No opinion
     
  8. DonaldB

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    On a 1-10 scale...

    The Beatles, Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band - 3
    The Beach Boys, Pet Sounds - 4
    The Beach Boys, Smile - 3
    The Who, Tommy - 6
    The MC5, Kick Out the Jams - 6
    The Byrds, Sweetheart of the Rodeo - 7
    Captain Beefheart and & His Magic Band, Trout Mask Replica - 5
    Derek and the Dominos, Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs - 2
    Led Zeppelin, IV - 7
    Neil Young, Harvest - 9
    The Rolling Stones, Exile on Main Street - 9
    The Eagles, Desperado - 2
    Lynyrd Skynyrd, Pronounced Leh-nerd Skin-nerd - 2
    Gram Parsons, GP/Grievous Angel - 3
    The Doors, The Best of the Doors - 7
    Pink Floyd, The Dark Side of the Moon - 6
    Bob Dylan, Blood on the Tracks - 4
    Patti Smith, Horses - 8
    Bob Marley & the Wailers, Exodus - 7
    Fleetwood Mac, Rumours - 9
    Paul & Linda McCartney, Ram - 2
    John Lennon / Yoko Ono, Double Fantasy - 2
    The Sex Pistols, Never Mind the Bollocks...Here’s the Sex Pistols - 7
    Dead Kennedys, Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables - 8
    Bruce Springsteen, Born to Run - 6
    Bruce Springsteen, Born in the U.S.A. - 2
    Elvis Costello and the Attractions, Imperial Bedroom - 9
    U2, The Joshua Tree - 6
    Public Enemy, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back - 8
    Nirvana, Nevermind - 2
    The Smashing Pumpkins, Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness - 1
    Radiohead, OK Computer - 1
     
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    haven't heard a lot of them (not my bag) but of those that I have....

    The Beatles, Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band 9.5
    The Beach Boys, Pet Sounds 8
    Led Zeppelin, IV 8
    Neil Young, Harvest 7
    The Eagles, Desperado 9.5
    The Doors, The Best of the Doors 9
    Pink Floyd, The Dark Side of the Moon 10
    Bob Marley & the Wailers, Exodus 8.5
    Fleetwood Mac, Rumours 9
    Paul & Linda McCartney, Ram 6
    Bruce Springsteen, Born in the U.S.A. 6.5
    U2, The Joshua Tree 8
    Nirvana, Nevermind 4
     
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    The Beatles, Mozart, Citizen Kane, Shakespeare... are amongst the truly great and represent the greatest artistic accomplishments of human culture.

    Anybody who says differently is trying to draw attention to him/herself and is full of it.
     
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    The Beatles, Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band A+
    The Beach Boys, Pet Sounds B+
    The Who, Tommy B+
    The MC5, Kick Out the Jams A
    The Byrds, Sweetheart of the Rodeo A
    Captain Beefheart and & His Magic Band, Trout Mask Replica A+
    Derek and the Dominos, Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs B+
    Led Zeppelin, IV A-
    Neil Young, Harvest A-
    The Rolling Stones, Exile on Main Street A+
    The Eagles, Desperado C+
    Lynyrd Skynyrd, Pronounced Leh-nerd Skin-nerd B-
    Gram Parsons, GP/Grievous Angel
    The Doors, The Best of the Doors B-
    Pink Floyd, The Dark Side of the Moon A+
    Bob Dylan, Blood on the Tracks A+
    Patti Smith, Horses A-
    Bob Marley & the Wailers, Exodus A
    Fleetwood Mac, Rumours B
    Paul & Linda McCartney, Ram B-
    John Lennon / Yoko Ono, Double Fantasy B+
    The Sex Pistols, Never Mind the Bollocks...Here’s the Sex Pistols A-
    Dead Kennedys, Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables A-
    Bruce Springsteen, Born to Run A
    Bruce Springsteen, Born in the U.S.A. B
    Elvis Costello and the Attractions, Imperial Bedroom A+
    U2, The Joshua Tree A-
    Public Enemy, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back A-
    Nirvana, Nevermind A-
    The Smashing Pumpkins, Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness B
    Radiohead, OK Computer B+
    Wilco, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot B+
     
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    Essential Tier

    The Beatles, Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band
    The Beach Boys, Pet Sounds
    Led Zeppelin, IV
    The Rolling Stones, Exile on Main Street
    Pink Floyd, The Dark Side of the Moon
    Bob Dylan, Blood on the Tracks
    Bruce Springsteen, Born to Run
    Gram Parsons, GP/Grievous Angel

    Notch-below Tier

    The Who, Tommy
    The MC5, Kick Out the Jams
    The Byrds, Sweetheart of the Rodeo
    Derek and the Dominos, Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs
    Neil Young, Harvest
    The Doors, The Best of the Doors
    Patti Smith, Horses
    Bob Marley & the Wailers, Exodus
    John Lennon / Yoko Ono, Double Fantasy
    The Sex Pistols, Never Mind the Bollocks...Here’s the Sex Pistols
    Bruce Springsteen, Born in the U.S.A.
    Elvis Costello and the Attractions, Imperial Bedroom
    U2, The Joshua Tree
    Public Enemy, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
    Nirvana, Nevermind
    Radiohead, OK Computer
    Wilco, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

    Not-My-Cup-of-Tea Tier

    Fleetwood Mac, Rumours
    Paul & Linda McCartney, Ram
    The Eagles, Desperado
    Lynyrd Skynyrd, Pronounced Leh-nerd Skin-nerdCaptain Beefheart and & His Magic Band, Trout Mask Replica
    The Smashing Pumpkins, Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
    Dead Kennedys, Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables

    Haven't Heard Tier

    The Beach Boys, Smile


    Although the authors of the book are certainly entitled to express (negative) opinions, I hope that folks who read it become inspired to hear these records themselves and form their own assessments. I may disagree with most or all of what's been written in "Kill Your Idols," but if it gets a kid to listen to Patti Smith who otherwise might not, then that in and of itself is important.
     
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    5 Stars
    The Beatles, Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band
    The Sex Pistols, Never Mind the Bollocks...Here’s the Sex Pistols
    Derek and the Dominos, Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs
    Nirvana, Nevermind
    Bob Dylan, Blood on the Tracks

    4 Stars
    Paul & Linda McCartney, Ram
    John Lennon / Yoko Ono, Double Fantasy
    The Who, Tommy
    The Doors, The Best of the Doors
    Pink Floyd, The Dark Side of the Moon

    3 Stars
    The MC5, Kick Out the Jams
    The Rolling Stones, Exile on Main Street
    Elvis Costello and the Attractions, Imperial Bedroom
    U2, The Joshua Tree
    Bob Marley & the Wailers, Exodus
    Fleetwood Mac, Rumours
    Dead Kennedys, Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables
    Bruce Springsteen, Born to Run
    Bruce Springsteen, Born in the U.S.A.
    Radiohead, OK Computer

    2 Stars
    The Beach Boys, Pet Sounds
    The Beach Boys, Smile
    Patti Smith, Horses
    The Smashing Pumpkins, Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
    Public Enemy, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
    The Eagles, Desperado
    Led Zeppelin, IV

    1 Star
    Lynyrd Skynyrd, Pronounced Leh-nerd Skin-nerd
    The Byrds, Sweetheart of the Rodeo
    Neil Young, Harvest

    -------Don't Know So I can't say-----------
    Gram Parsons, GP/Grievous Angel
    Wilco, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
    Captain Beefheart and & His Magic Band, Trout Mask Replica
     
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    Radiohead, OK Computer
    The Who, Tommy
    Bob Dylan, Blood on the Tracks
    Bruce Springsteen, Born to Run
    U2, The Joshua Tree

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Elvis Costello and the Attractions, Imperial Bedroom
    Led Zeppelin, IV
    Neil Young, Harvest
    The Rolling Stones, Exile on Main Street
    Fleetwood Mac, Rumours
    Bruce Springsteen, Born in the U.S.A.

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Pink Floyd, The Dark Side of the Moon
    John Lennon / Yoko Ono, Double Fantasy
    The Sex Pistols, Never Mind the Bollocks...Here’s the Sex Pistols
     

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