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The Irishman (2019)

Discussion in 'Movies' started by Reggie W, Jul 31, 2018.

  1. Peter Apruzzese

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    Englsih captions for the hearing impaired. Displayed on the screen.
     
  2. Tino

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    Ugh. Have to deal with it as it’s the only time I can go.
     
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    A friend gave me this 50-year-old expiration date quote. It's unsupported. Sorry if I started a firestorm. I agree that when your creative talents start to wane it's best to quit the stage gracefully; so if that's what QT expressed, I'm with him.
     
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    When I first read your post, it sounded right to me too. LOL
     
  5. Tino

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    Just got back.

    I liked not loved it. Scorsese treads familiar ground in this long somewhat self indulgent epic film.

    Really good performances, with a great one by Pesci.

    I would say this is the weakest of his “mob” films but still a solid film all around. The De-aging may be the best I’ve seen yet.
     
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    Thanks for the report.

    Since mob movies aren't usually my cup of tea anyway, I think I'll just wait to watch this on Netflix.

    My favorite Scorsese movies are things like The Age of Innocence, The Aviator, Shutter Island, etc.

    There might be pros and cons in telling someone like Scorsese: here's all the money you want, and go ahead and make it as long as you want.
     
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  7. Jake Lipson

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    I haven't read the whole thread yet as I'm waiting until after I see the film to look over specific comments, but I do have a question for those who have seen it.

    As I've written before, I have a startle reflex which causes me to jump severely when there are sudden loud noises. I avoid horror films partially for this reason.

    How troublesome will Irishman be in this regard? Given the genre, I'd expect some gunshots and maybe an explosion or two, but I'd like to know. Particularly if it extremely frequent.

    Thanks.
     
  8. TravisR

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    I don't think it'll be that bad for you. It's basically what you expect.
     
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    I caught a matinee this morning and enjoyed it. Not on par with Goodfellas, but top-shelf filmmaking for 2019, and I found myself savoring qualities we might soon find only rarely in the theaters per the background of this film's production and Mr. Scorsese's comments. I thought about this several times throughout. And I concur that this is a film one should see in the theater.

    I only go to the movies occasionally these days, but I was reminded of a growing problem I'm having: low volume. The trailers played at standard volume but as soon as the movie began it went down considerably. I asked the manager if she would raise it but she only said she would check. It did NOT go up. It proved to be okay for this film, but for others I've had to fight (multiple walks back to the box office) or even ask for a refund one time when it became clear I was going to be placated but not satisfied on an action/loud mix film.

    Does anyone else have this problem?
     
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    In general, studios mix trailers at a higher volume than the main feature. The idea is that as trailers are playing, people are still getting seated and/or talking so the studios want to ensure they’re heard.

    A good theater will put the volume fader at one setting for the trailers and another for the main feature. But most theaters these days are automated and usually in the simplest way possible. So you get stuck with either the trailers being the right volume and the feature too low, or vice versa. People complain both ways do theaters (who don’t really have projectionists anymore) tend to throw up their hands and give up.
     
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    The Irishman began showing on Netflix this morning, and I've now seen about half of it. Obviously the cast is great, it has wonderul period details, and the cgi de-aging process is impressive—much better than in Ang Lee's Gemini Man, for instance. Mob movies, however, are a genre that I have some trouble with, because as Marlon Brando said when he was first asked to play a part in the movie version of Puzo's book, he worried about how a movie that critiqued the mafia might end up glorifying it anyway:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/the-reluctant-godfather-why-brando-ran-scared-of-mob-rule-1528439.html

    "TO ADAPT the famous line from The Godfather, it should have been an offer he could not refuse. But, according to revelations that will surprise those who could not imagine Don Corleone any other way, Marlon Brando repeatedly turned down his Oscar-winning role as the the Don because of the film's Mafia theme. Indeed, when an assistant suggested he read Mario Puzo's book, Brando threw it back saying: "It's about the Mafia. I won't glorify the Mafia," according to the actor's friend, Budd Schulberg."

    Of course, Brando did it anyway, and in the opinion of some his fears were somewhat realized. As much as The Godfather movies and even The Irishmen are very much meant as a critique of the mob, I do think they also end up glorifying it by accident because of the glamor of great stars, wonderful production values, excellent cinematography, etc., etc. And it happens that the story being told here by the great Martin Scorsese, which I think he directed as a "true story," is of doubtful authenticity:

    "FBI agents, prosecutors, reporters, and criminals who knew Frank Sheeran have said Sheeran’s confession—on which Martin Scorsese’s The Irishman is based—lacks credibility."

    https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/11/the-irishman-true-story-frank-sheeran

    But, even if this story wasn't at times true, the bigger story about horrible stuff done by the mob is obviously true.

    The other story with The Irishman, of course, is that Netflix financed a $160 million dollar film that no one else would touch. Probably this movie would have trouble breaking even with a budget of half that, but in any case, it's an expensive Thanksgiving gift that Netflix has given its subscribers, and I'm grateful to Netflix for getting this passion project made, and for all the other good entertainment I've gotten from them this year. So far I'd rate The Irishman a "B+", which is a high rating given that mob movies are not really my cup of tea.
     
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    They did not use de-aging in Gemini Man. Young Will Smith is not real actor. It is 100% CG model creation like Tarkin and Leia in Rogue One. That's why it looks so bad.
     
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    With Casino and Goodfellas it felt like I was a fly on the wall looking at real life

    with the Irishman it seems every body is “acting”
     
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    Sat down through this 3 1/2 hour film and just finished.

    At times I just wasn't very impressed with this film. I think the best of it all came in its final hour. It just moved a bit too slow and lacked the energy of other Scorsese films.

    I'd like to know how true the events depicted in this film were. I am guessing that it's mostly true

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/27/movies/the-irishman-true-story.html

    In all, it has its moments, but I disagree with those critics that call it a "masterpiece." He's done better.
     
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    I came away from it with a feeling that Scorsese has maybe gone back to the same well one too many times. The material was just too overly familiar.

    It was good and I'm glad I watched it but... there was nothing special here, and with this group I was expecting special.

    The best part for me was Pacino and Pesci. Great performances.
     
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    The more I think on it the more I feel it’s extremely overrated. And looooooong.......;)
     
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    But still as I said a good film
     
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    My thoughts on the de-aging thing...

    It's obviously tremendous technology. It was a lot less distracting than I thought it would be and the best effects are the ones you don't notice.

    Yet there was something about it that wasn't sitting well with me.

    I think the inherent problem with it is that I know what Robert De Niro looked like when he was 20, 30, and 40, and he didn't look like that in this movie.

    The clip of him in WWII - my mind thought he should have looked there more or less the way he looked in Godfather II, but he didn't, and THAT made me notice the effect.

    If a young actor wears old age make-up - I don't know what they will look like in 30 years so I just accept it.

    It's much harder to go backwards.
     
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    I literally didn't even think about the de-aging once after the first flashback of each character. To each their own but in this movie, I found it to be completely believable and seamless.
     
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    I saw this last weekend on the largest screen at my arthouse with a 7.1 surround sound system. I'm so glad I got the opportunity to see it in that manner and not at home on Netflix on my TV in stereo sound. The experience was better in a theater than it would have been if I waited for Netflix.

    It was good, and I was engaged in watching it, but I didn't connect to it on an emotional level as much as I admired the work and craftsmanship of it. I'm in the minority on this but my two favorite Scorsese films are Hugo and Silence, which are the least traditionally Scorsese-like films he's made. This one is pretty much Scorsese at his most Scorsese, and it's really good for sure, but not as invertible to me personally as those were. The cast is terrific of course.

    The de-aging worked okay in terms of making their faces look younger, but it didn't make them move younger. There's one scene early on when Di Nero's character beats someone up, and it looked like someone in his 70s beating up someone younger than him. The CGI can help his appearance, but it can't make him fight like a younger man would.
     

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