The ICBM's pics and manual now available

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  1. Dan Kaps

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    Two days ago I complained of no picture of the ICBM on Outlaw's site. They must be listenning [​IMG]
     
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    Does anyone know if it will have tone controls? When I listen to CDs I like to have the control of the bass & treble by using the tone controls in my receiver along with setting my speaker size. When I read through the manual it stated you could set speaker size but it didn't mention anything about bass & treble tone controls. My receiver has analog bypass so I don't have the use of the tone controls through the receiver when using the multichannel input. If the outlaw doesn't do it does anyone know if there will be anything similar introduced that would allow you the use of tone controls for bass & treble in each speaker along with setting the size of the speakers?
     
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    It doesn't have tone controls. And they would be very very unwelcome to this customer.
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    This thing looks sweet. Finally a company is dealing with some of the bass management issues that people have been complaining about. Outlaw just moved up a couple of notches in my book.
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    Being able to read the manual has answered all of my questions (whether or not it would work in my setup the way I hoped it might.).
    I sent a reservation request in this morning. This could be THE piece of gear that brings out the very best of my setup.
    (Stan: I have to agree with Philip that if Outlaw wants to sell very many ICBMs, tones controls would not be a good idea. In fact, if it had tone controls I would not be interested in buying it. Since it's in the analog domain, the extra circuitry would create noise and crosstalk problems. IMO, if you're looking for tone controls, some type of multi-channel equalizer would be better suited to what you're looking for.)
     
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    Chuck thanks for the information. I have front tower speakers with 300W subwoofers in each of them. I don't run a seperate subwoofer in my system. Hopefully rerouting all the bass from all of the channels (center & surrounds) to the mains will increase the bass for DVD audio.
    I purchased the "Fleetwood Mac - Rumours" DVD audio & there is no bass through the front mains. My speakers have a bass level meter that can be turned up on the speakers but still no bass. However when I switch to the Dolby Digital track & put it in 2 channel stereo the bass really kicks in. It's a night & day difference. I have the bass tone controls set to +3 for my front speakers and the speakers set to large. The center & surrounds are set to small & no seperate subwoofer. It sounds so much better than the DVD audio track - for bass. The "Metallica - Black Album" has decent bass through the front mains, not thunderous, but decent bass.
    Those are the only 2 DVD audio titles that I have. I'm just trying to find a way to get the bass that I'm used to out of the DVD audio discs. Will the Outlaw component help me accomplish that? Thanks for your help & replies.
     
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    Can someone answer a question for me? I have a Marantz sr7200 with a fixex 100hz crossover. The 100 hz is a little high for me, would the ICBM help me with this problem? Thanks for any info guys.
     
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    Dalton,
    yes, as long as your receiver has external inputs. Using the external inputs would bypass the marantz circuitry and allow you to use the ICBM.
    Stan, if your fronts are set to large, then all the info would be sent to them. If you aren't hearing bass, then maybe there is another problem.
    The ICBM would allow you to cut the bass to your rears and and only send the bass to your mains.
     
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    Stan: Depending on the rest of your gear, the ICBM could solve the "missing bass" case that you have. The fundamental reason the ICBM is being built and sold is to address the fact that all DVD-Audio players have no (or minimal at best) bass management. This helps to explain why you have better bass with regular DVDs and poorer bass with DVD-A's.
    Depending on what type of equipment that you have (or how you have it hooked up) you may or may not be able to use the ICBM (this applies to your situation too Dalton.) The manual goes into a fair amount of detail on different hookups and how to set the various controls to obtain the best overall sound. (The manual is at this link as a Acrobat file.) http://www.outlawaudio.com/manuals/icbm_manual.pdf
    Hopefully, this will help to answer most or all of each of your questions...
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    How many inputs does it have?
    what I mean is if I have both a DVD-A,and a SACD player,can both be connected and posibly switch between them if I need to?
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  16. Will

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    I have heard that processors should not do bass management
    before doing time alignment (which compensates for the unequal
    distance between different speakers and the listener).
    Does the ICBM do time alignment, or does it only do bass
    management? If it doesn't do time alighment, is it ok
    to use an ICBM if the L, R, C, and surround speakers
    are not equal distance from the listener?
     
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    Will,
    Take alook at the manual on line. Time alignment is mentioned, but I don't know how it is performed. I didn't look that close. The old computer adage RTFM applies [​IMG] . (RTFM = Read The Finely-written Manual)
    Stan,
    Your experience sounds exactly like mine. Do a search and read my bass management woes over the last couple months. Look for posts with my name on them in Hardware. In my case, the ICBM will solve my problem, as my mains are simply inadequate to handle the low frequencies. Yours sound like they should handle the lows fine, but for some reason they aren't. I don't know what your solution is (mine is ICBM) unfortunately, but I can relate to the problem.
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    While I think I have a pretty good understanding of how the ICBM can work, I still encourage everyone to take a look at the manual. http://www.outlawaudio.com/manuals/icbm_manual.pdf It is only 16 pages and does a good job of explaining how the ICBM can be used to benefit many systems.
    Lewis: The ICBM has one 6.1 set in and one 6.1 set out (+ the ability to drive 2 subs for stereo sub setups.) You would need some kind of switch if hooking up 2 6 channel players to to a receiver's/processor's 5.1 (6.1) analog input.
    Will: The manual does touch on your point. They recommend that all speaker delay settings be identical (in the surround processor/receiver) in order to obtain the best possible sound. The ICBM itself does not "do" time alignment distance settings. But they also point out that for many of us, the rooms we listen in often have big enough bass problems that some time mis-alignment may not be audible to most of us (my words, NOT a quote.)
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  19. Will

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    The manual recommends turning off the time alignment in your
    processor or speaker and setting the speaker distances to all
    your speakers the same distance. Maybe this is because the
    ICBM is analog, not digital.
     
  20. Will

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    As a follow up, the manual says if you use the ICBM between
    your processor and your amplifier, and if you use the
    speaker delay in your processor, that it could cause
    undesirable affects in the bass. It goes on to say
    "it's unlikely you'll notice this effect" which may
    or may not be wishful thinking, but at least they
    address the issue, sort of.
     

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