The Hobbit (merged thread)

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PattyFraser said:
Good luck Mr. Raimi or whichever director does take it on. I'll see it--I''m not one of the many who say they will boycott. That's silly, IMHO. But much of the joy is lost.
I wouldn't worry for Sam Raimi. The man is a professional, I doubt a Brett Ratner like "backlash" will occur amongst fans by the time the movie is released.
Raimi is one of those directors who has a good connection with the internet fanbase and would likely do his all to smooth over the tension and that would be a key reason for him getting the job as Terry said. I'd be surprised if there is a large group of angry fans still when this comes out.
I expect something similar to the anti-daniel craig movement for Casino Royale in which all of those concerned slowly are won over.
Assuming Raimi indeed is the director of course.
 

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If Raimi does take over the reigns of director on the two 'Hobbit' movies, he wouldn't necessarily leave the Spidey franchise. He'd serve as one of the producers on the film(s) and would very likely be back to helm another in the series sometime down the line.

Fox got away with Brett Ratner doing X3, which went on to become the biggest hit of the series, while Daniel Craig's 007 adventure not only became the biggest movie of its respective franchise, but also is deemed by many as among the best films the series has produced. So change doesn't always translate into something bad. It is one of the necessary evils in Tinseltown.

Still, even though Bryan Singer is currently prepping the "Superman Returns" sequel, there have been discussions about him coming back for X4 (which wouldn't get rolling until after Fox produces the spin-off films for both Wolverine and Magneto), especially if Ratner ends up focusing on doing one or more of the planned spin-offs.

Raimi doing "The Hobbit" is an excellent business decision for all involved, if indeed he does turn out to be who the studios want. This would appease a lot of fanboys (and fangirls), whom the industry dub as essential to building great internet word-of-mouth as Jake eluded to. Another plus is that fanboys (and fangirls) spend lots of money on movie merchandise if they love the product (they'll spend mass amounts of coin on things they're "disappointed" with as well as was shown by the billions brought in by the Star Wars Prequels).

All around, this is a great move by MGM and New Line. If Raimi does get the job, I'm sure a lot of fans will be excited to see his take on the material. It remains to be seen whether or not the two studios will be able to lure any of the principle cast back (i.e. Ian McKellan and Viggo Mortensen) for the movies, but it should make for some interesting theater.

Its just sad that things ended so bitterly between Jackson and New Line.
 

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I didn't register to read the entire LATimes article. Is MGM also behind this move? I know they kept hinting it wasn't over yet with Jackson. If they are also behind trying to get Raimi then all hope for Jackson's Hobbit is really gone.
 

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In a nutshell, MGM (Sony) has the right to make the movie, but only New Line can release it. The two studios will co-finance the two films. While MGM was hoping the situation between Jackson and New Line would work itself out, the intense bad blood between the two camps pretty much killed any hope of them working it out.

Jackson's side is going forward with their lawsuit, while New Line maintains that they have zero interest in working with Jackson on any future projects. Again, its a shame that it had to come to this.
 

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TerryRL said:
It remains to be seen whether or not the two studios will be able to lure any of the principle cast back (i.e. Ian McKellan and Viggo Mortensen) for the movies, but it should make for some interesting theater.
I understand wanting Mckellan back as Gandalf, but Viggo as Aragorn has no part to play in The Hobbit at all.
As I recall, the only recurring characters in both The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings are Bilbo, Gandalf, Gollum, and Elrond.
Just how big a change from the books is expected for this film?
 

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From what I understand, the second movie will not only provide the second half of the story, but also serve as a "better" lead-in to the Jackson trilogy. When Jackson was still expecting to helm the films, he talked about bringing back Ian and Viggo, as well as other castmembers from the first three movies.

As far as I know, this is still the direction that New Line is going to go in.

The first film, and most of the second, will focus on the actual text of "The Hobbit", while the last bit will "introduce" us to some of the characters that were key in Jackson's LOTR trilogy.
 

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Brian Sheffield said:
I understand wanting Mckellan back as Gandalf, but Viggo as Aragorn has no part to play in The Hobbit at all.
As I recall, the only recurring characters in both The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings are Bilbo, Gandalf, Gollum, and Elrond.
Just how big a change from the books is expected for this film?
Well Jackson said he wanted as many people from lotr back as possible and mentioned Viggo.
If Raimi indeed becomes the director who knows what he'd do with that idea.
 

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TerryRL said:
From what I understand, the second movie will not only provide the second half of the story, but also serve as a "better" lead-in to the Jackson trilogy. When Jackson was still expecting to helm the films, he talked about bringing back Ian and Viggo, as well as other castmembers from the first three movies.
As far as I know, this is still the direction that New Line is going to go in.
The first film, and most of the second, will focus on the actual text of "The Hobbit", while the last bit will "introduce" us to some of the characters that were key in Jackson's LOTR trilogy.
Wow. That sounds like a truly horrendous idea.
If this is the direction they want to take, my enthusiasm for any Hobbit film just evaporated.
The worst thing about The Lord of the Rings were when changes to the story were made.
 

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My bad, it was backwards. New Line can make the movie, but MGM (Sony) has the distribution rights.
 

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Sam Favate said:
That is unfortunately true, and I bet it is true for much of the creative people on the project as well. Much like when Richard Donner was fired from Superman II, the creative folks remaining were discouraged and lost. The result was two lackluster movies (III and IV). I hope the same is not true for The Hobbit. I think Raimi is a great filmmaker (although I hate to see him abandon the Spider-Man films, like Bryan Singer did for the X-Men), and could turn in a very credible take on the Hobbit. But Peter Jackson had the look, feel and tone of that world down, and it is his vision of it that many filmgoers share.
You could do a lot worse than Sam Raimi, but it won't be the same without Jackson.
Excellent post, Sam. I agree 100%.
 

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Originally Posted by Brian Sheffield

I understand wanting Mckellan back as Gandalf, but Viggo as Aragorn has no part to play in The Hobbit at all.
It's been awhile since I've read THE HOBBIT, but doesn't Aragorn make a brief appearance in that story?
 

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Raimi is definitely one of the best choices I could think of. I'm a bit surprised though since after three Spiderman movies over almost a decade, I would have expected him to do something other than jump into another epic undertaking with multiple movies. Especially one already linked so much with another director.

I do want him to do something other than Spiderman though. I love the Spidey films but I really want to see him tackle something different whether it's The Hobbit or something else.
 

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Larry Sutliff said:
It's been awhile since I've read THE HOBBIT, but doesn't Aragorn make a brief appearance in that story?
I don't think so. I just read it again last month, and did not notice any scene that included him.
 

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I think Aragorn would be more likely to show up in the proposed second "Hobbit" movie, the one that is supposed to be a lead-in to the Rings movies. There would be plenty of opportunity for him to be there, although if anyone in the world hadn't already seen those movies it would spoil the brief suspense about "Strider" and whether he's "fair or foul", cause a pre-quel would probably answer that.
I'm really disappointed that there may not be continuity of look between these films. But I'm trying to view it in the same light that I do when I've purchased Tolkien calendars over the years. Everybody has a different vision.
**stills hold out hope for Jackson, though**
 

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I understand wanting Mckellan back as Gandalf, but Viggo as Aragorn has no part to play in The Hobbit at all.
As I recall, the only recurring characters in both The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings are Bilbo, Gandalf, Gollum, and Elrond.
It is also conceivable that Orlando Bloom could make an appearance in The Hobbit, since Legolas is the son of the Elven King.
Also, if Raimi is attached to direct, will he work Bruce Campbell into the film?
 

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Richard Kim said:
It is also conceivable that Orlando Bloom could make an appearance in The Hobbit, since Legolas is the son of the Elven King.
But, the son of the elven king is not mentioned in the book at all. I don't see the need to rehash characters in a prequel that aren't important to the story.
This thought process reminds me of the Lethal Weapon franchise, each succeeding film became more and more bloated as supporting characters from each film were shoehorned into the newest entry whether they were relevant or not.
 

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Richard Kim said:
Also, if Raimi is attached to direct, will he work Bruce Campbell into the film?
He could play Bard. They could improvise some dialogue for him where he gets to talk some smack at Smaug during the climax
 

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Bringing in characters from the LOTR trilogy that didn't necessarily appear in "The Hobbit" was always a part of Jackson's plan for the two movie(s). Looks like it'll be one of the things that will be inherited by the new director. If Raimi is the guy, I think he'll do a solid job with the material.
 

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It's been awhile since I've read THE HOBBIT, but doesn't Aragorn make a brief appearance in that story?
No, he does not.
I get the impression that Jackson is a fan of Rami (what with the Evil Dead films and Jackson's love of gory, nutty horror films). If Rami does helm this film(s) I hope he shares a mutual respect for Jackson and tries to honor what was accomplished with the LOTR films and doesn't just try to do "his own take on it" just for the sake of being different.
I suppose it is wishful thinking that he would try to collaborate with Jackson in some way. But I would hope he would at least use WETA.
My main hopes for this would be for Ian McKellan, Hugo Weaving and Andy Serkis to reprise their roles, for it to use the same design sensibilities (using the contributions of Alan Lee and John Howe), for the Hobbiton location to be re-created to match the LOTR films, for it to be filmed in New Zealand, and for WETA to handle the special effects.
 

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