THE BOWERY BOYS on DVD: continuing discussion of Warner's eventual release plans (NEW UPDATE 10/2 Po

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  1. Tony Bensley

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    I'm so sorry to hear that, Russell! Please know that you have my sympathy and condolences. I hope that your Dad was at least able to enjoy the first three Bowery Boys Volumes.

    Kind Regards,

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    Thanks Tony and Richard. It's not my intent to make the thread sad, but just a bit frustrating with these releases. Dad and I watched these up until the second disc in the third volume, and we enjoyed them immensely. That said, they're pretty hit and miss to me personally since I don't have any nostalgia to help them along ha ha. Not bashing them, Gorcey was a hell of a talent. I'm not completely closing the doors on the set, I'll wait for some feedback. :)
     
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    The long gap since the release of the third volume seems to validate the point that certain Bowery Boys Titles were, indeed quite problematic, and do require more attention in terms of restoration than the ones that are on the first three Bowery Boys Sets! MR. HEX is by far, the worst of these insofar as its 'In and out of focus' issue, though previous presentations of SPY CHASERS have been just as frustrating in its own way, with the 'out of sequence' problem!

    While this long wait has been most excruciating, it should hopefully be well worth it (At least, for most of us.) in the long run!

    CHEERS!
     
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    Hi Russell!

    In my opinion, being open to feedback is very fair and "magnaminous," using a bit of the Leo Gorcey vernacular!

    It's just a suggestion, but perhaps as a tribute to your Dad, you could view the final Bowery Boys, Volume 4 Titles when they do finally see light of day? I think the main question marks will be the two Titles that I mentioned in my previous post, but I'm confident that the time Warner Archive is taking in issuing Volume 4 will produce the very best possible presentations of MR. HEX and SPY CHASERS! I do plan on posting feedback regarding these two Films in particular as soon as possible after viewing them.

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    Let me say this quickly as I don't have much time...

    Everybody keeps harping on Warner's inability to get these sets
    out in a timely manner.

    It's a shame it took as many years as it did, but there were legitimate
    reasons for the delay including a changing marketplace for these kind
    of releases.

    I believe Warner was still reluctant to go ahead and release these titles
    knowing the problems with one of the masters. Yet, once they got the ball
    rolling, they got these sets out pretty fast.

    The reason for the delay on the final set is obvious. It's still the same situation
    that had pretty much delayed these sets from day one. Warner wants these
    releases done right and they purposely moved the problem title to the last set
    so they could get the others out.

    I, too, am sorry that not everyone who wanted to enjoy all these films could.
    However, I just want to be careful that Warner does not get unfairly blamed
    for the delays.
     
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    I agree. And don't forget that in addition to the nice transfers used , we've been getting these discs on replicated discs . Back in late 2012 I was oblivious to the release of Volume 1. My mother was dying from cancer, so I can understand to an extent how Russell feels .
     
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    Having viewed MR. HEX on TCM in 2010, I can vouch for that Print's lousy looking appearance, especially regarding its massive In & Out of Focus issue! Having thoroughly read this Forum's entries (Along with some participation!), while there were no doubt, financially viable concerns in issuing a Bowery Boys Collection, the overriding one had to do with finding the missing Film elements for MR. HEX. It was only after they were found that Warner began issuing the Bowery Boys Volumes!

    I say, big kudos to the Warner Archive for wanting above all else, to present these Films in their best possible light! As much as I would have preferred a chronological release, it just wasn't possible given the circumstances!

    CHEERS!

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    I would have preferred chronological too but just getting them all released is the biggest part. Once we get the 4th volume it just requires a little extra work searching for the next title to watch them chronological.
    "Let me see my next film is Bowery Battalion now where is that one, volume 2? no, oh here it is on Volume 4". :)
     
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    WB Archive could help out a little there by including a booklet with Vol.4 listing the films in chronological order and showing the box set volume and disc where you can find them. It 'd be nice to have some trailers and a documentary on Vol.4 too, but maybe I'm asking for way too much. Truthfully, I'm just happy that they're out on DVD!
     
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    These are nice ideas, Lou! However, my concern would be that any extras might boost the cost of the last volume. As it is, I've averaged $52 - $55 for each of these sets, including the cost of shipping and the CAN/U.S Rate of Exchange, and can't really afford to have to shell out much more than that!

    And yes, considering that only 6 Bowery Boys Titles ever got Official VHS Release, I too, am quite happy that we have 36 Titles, or 3/4 of the 48 Films on DVD! I only wish that my Brother, who passed away from Cancer in November 2005 and was a huge Bowery Boys Fan, could have lived long enough to view these marvelous DVDs!

    Only 12 more to go!

    CHEERS! :)

    Tony
     
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    Regarding a list of the titles in chronological order, simply go to Wikipedia, copy and paste it into an email or Word document, print it out and put a copy in each of your Bowery Boys volumes, perhaps taking a highlighter and highlighting each of the movies in that volume to let you know where it appears in the legend of the Bowery Boys.

    I can thank Huntz Hall for that inspiration.

    And if you are a true completest, get on to Amazon or the WB Archive site and buy a copy of "The Phynx" where the Bowery Boys legend truly ends (not mentioning it here in case there are those who haven't seen the picture already)
     
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    Don't forget " Second Fiddle To A Steele Guitar" where Hall and Gorcey get quite a bit of screen time and come close to reprising their Bowery Boys personas .
     
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    That's a nice idea but for many die hard fans like myself I could list them in Chronological order from memory so that wouldn't be a big deal for me. The only minor issue with them not being in Chronological order is just searching through the discs to find the next one instead of just popping the next disc in. But again that is a minor issue, the big thing is finally having them all available and in the best condition they have been seen in since their original releases.
     
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    While the aforementioned latter day Titles SECOND FIDDLE TO A STEEL GUITAR and THE PHYNX are nice ideas, to really be completist where Leo Gorcey & Huntz Hall are concerned, it would in my opinion, be even better to have the entire Dead End/East Side Kids Series released!

    CHEERS!

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    It would be great if Warner Archive decided to tackle the East Side Kids next. They did release a few Dead End Kids titles.
     
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    Hi Randy!

    I know that at least some of the Dead End Kids titles are or at least were issued on DVD. The first Dead End/East Side Kids Titles I ever saw were by way of the 1980's PBS Series MATINEE AT THE THE BIJOU, which aired the Dead End Kids Serial JUNIOR G-MEN and the East Side Kids 1943 Feature KID DYNAMITE. I believe that only roughly half of the East Side Kids Titles have ever been issued to Home Video and none by what could be termed a first rate company.

    After the last Bowery Boys Set is issued, I for one, would be willing to purchase a properly issued East Side Kids Collection. Assuming that all of these exist, I believe these 20 (I think it's 21.) or so titles could be issued in two Volumes, with the second set containing some nice little extras.

    Of course, a lot of restoration may need to be done for the above, assuming that near pristine East Side Kids prints aren't already waiting in storage someplace!

    CHEERS!

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    I think the quality of the existing films would be the problem for The East Side Kids. I think the majority of the East Side Kids films are in as bad of shape as Mr. Hex was so unless they discover some private collections I don't think they will do this since they don't want to release poor quality versions like the ones already out. A full restoration of all the films would be too costly. But I still hope that somehow something will happen or be discovered.
    Lets not even get started on "The Little Tough Guys" :)
     
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    I remember seeing a number of "The Little Tough Guys" and "The East Side Kids" titles on TCM a number of years back, which I actually recorded. While at least some of these were preceded by a preservation logo, I don't recall these being in especially good shape.

    "Existing Films" may well be the key phrase for the East Side Kids Series Films, not only in regards to their condition, but perhaps in some cases, to their very existence! I do recall reading somewhere in this Thread awhile back someone stating that only about 10 or 12 of the East Side Kids Features are available on video in ANY form! As I recall, a subsequent check that I made on Amazon unfortunately supported that!

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    They should include a widescreen PRIVATE EYES in the 4th volume now that's it's been established the correct aspect ratio is 1.66:1.
     
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    Hi Bob!

    I could be mistaken, but I believe in previous discussion within this thread regarding PRIVATE EYES, it had already been in production at the time Allied Artists shifted to Filming with Widescreen in mind. If this is correct, as I suspect it is, then there might be a problem in cropping scenes from PRIVATE EYES that were filmed before the changeover took place! Therefore, in my opinion, PRIVATE EYES ought to be issued at 1.37:1 Academy Ratio, rather than 1.66:1.

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