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UHD Review Terminator 2: Judgement Day UHD Review

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  1. Todd Erwin

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    Terminator 2: Judgement Day UHD Review
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    Terminator 2: Judgement Day is the first of director James Cameron's films to arrive on 4K UHD Blu-ray with a new 4k transfer, but the discs have some sloppy authoring (after being delayed) and many of the bonus features from previous releases on other formats are missing.

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    Joseph Bolus

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    Wow!
    I *really* need an updated T2 transfer. While I still own the old two disc DVD “Ultimate Edition” release for the extras; my Blu-ray iteration of this movie is the dreadful “Skynet Edition” release which takes forever to load.

    I guess I’ll spring for this — only due to the very reasonable price point and the new documentary — but keep my previous releases *sigh*.

    ... And this release really dampens any enthusiasm I had for possible future HD releases of “True Lies” and/or “The Abyss SE” (not to mention “Aliens”, “Titanic”, or “Avatar” on 4K).

    The Bottom Line is that Cameron has (mostly) ignored Home Theater Enthusiasts since the 2003 DVD “Extreme Edition” release of T2, and that apparently isn’t going to change anytime soon.
     
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    I feel dirty.

    I ordered the 4k version of T2...before seeing any reviews...and I'm not even fully 4k-ready yet.

    I saw "4k"...I saw "T2"...and I saw the low price and my trigger finger was quicker than my brain and my sense of reason.
     
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    I did the same thing do not feel bad! I saw 4K & T2 and bam I pre ordered it that fast and I honestly do not pre order much and almost always wait for the video to be in stores.
     
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    Big difference, though, Dave...is that you are fully 4k ready!

    I ordered it and it'll be a while before I replace my Panasonic Plasma with a 4k display. I've got a 4k player and receiver, but I don't see replacing my 55ST50 until it goes down for some reason. So I've ordered some 4k titles (mostly new releases) but have only been watching the included Blu discs so far. So I really needn't have rushed!
     
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    What's holding you back from the current 4K UHD TV's?
     
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    Just budget and an "if it ain't broke, don't replace it" attitude.
     
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    That never stopped me!;)
     
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    I saw the price on the Sony 75" 4K UHD TV and even though I have a Samsung 55" 4K UHD TV I think I would have pulled out the old credit card if I had one, rofl. Though I would have had to relocate the equipment rack and run a long HDMI cable to the tv and run longer speaker wire I would have done it if I could.
     
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    The other thing is...I'm really happy with my current set. It's NOT 4k, obviously. But I am continuously "wowed" by how great the picture is. So, without having a 4k set to show me the error of my judgment, I remain blissfully ignorant and happy. :D

    I keep thinking about how lucky I am to have the pieces in my system that I have that I consider myself blessed to have such nice things (which I know runs rather counter to the expected thinking from a hobbyist). But after putting two kids through private schools and high-end colleges on a lower-middle income salary, I never thought I'd be able to have the nice components that I now have. Priorities and all that. ;) I think that contributes to the thinking of only upgrading when breakdowns occur or special occasions permit. :cool:
     
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    Absolutely nothing wrong with that Mike! You do not have to have 4K to be happy with what you have!

    Oh I can identify with that more than you know. For many years I have ended up in jobs that honestly did not pay that great and I dispite that I have managed to push it and get nice things for myself. I actually have had a few people tell me I will not have something or that I can not afford it but yet I found a way to get it despite what they may have said. And even if I am not able to make a few more upgrades and was to get stuck where I am now I feel lucky and blessed to have what I have. On top of that I feel blessed as I used to deliver appliences to peoples homes and so many people back in the late 2000's did not have HDTV or blu-ray and only had an old CRT tv with maybe a dvd player and a cable box. And I couldn't even tell you how many people did not have surround sound so I totally agree with you that I also feel lucky. I am glad you have something nice and that you appreciate it! The sad part is that there are some people that have something nice and they are never happy they always want something they do not have!
     
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    My copy of Terminator 2 4K UHD BD just arrived today which was nice because I was not expecting it till after new years day. So I decided to bring out the 1080p blu-ray copy and play some of it then watch my new 4K UHD blu-ray to see the differences for myself. And to be honest I almost tried to cancel it but I decided to just let it come and keep it anyway since I feel I got it cheap enough.

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    As you can see I have been collecting terminator movies for awhile and I upgraded my HD-DVD version of Rise Of The Machines to upgrade from Dolby Digital Plus to Dolby True HD. So back to the newest release of Terminator 2: Judgement Day.

    So I got my copy today and decided to watch a little of the 1080p blu-ray to see what the quality is like to refresh myself as I have not viewed it in awhile. I believe I have the 1st release on 1080p blu-ray so the video quality was most likely much better in the later release of the regular blu-ray. I place myself in the camp that appreciates the film grain that is included in the original film when it was originally released. Maybe it was what the director intended and maybe it was an inherent byproduct of that particular film stock that was used when the studio filmed the movie. So while some consumers may look at film grain with disgust and hate it when it shows in a video release I for one along with many here prefer to have the original film grain intact. So right off the bat even though my previous release on blu-ray was in lossy DTS-ES which sounds very good I might add, I love getting a new DTS-HD Master Audio lossless track! And as many of you know that I have been in the past very pro DTS! But if this 4K UHD BD release would have used a Dolby True HD track instead of DTS-HD Master Audio I would have been just as happy.


    So in my brief refresh of watching some of my 1080p blu-ray I noticed film grain but to my untrained eyes it looked more like noise then what I think film grain looks like on a well done transfer. It still looks better than the dvd so I watched part of it before putting in the new 4K UHD blu-ray that just arrived. I have been seeing some not to flattering feedback on this release and I came close to canceling my order but decided to just let it go and see what it looks like when I get it. I originally was going to include screen shots using my smart phone with HDR turned on but decided I was not getting an accurate enough capture of what I was actually seeing on my display so I deleted the pictures before I actually posted.


    So here is my take on this release as I am not a professional and my display was calibrated by myself and not done professionally. The one thing that is quickly apparent and noticeable through the entire movie is the lack of film grain which others have talked about. And for some who might find this a deal breaker I personally for some reason didn't mind it for some reason. Don't get me wrong I would have preferred that the film grain was intact but what is left over in my honest opinion is a sharp enough image that in many places has that visual pop. The video has good black levels and there is a good amount of detail some scenes more than others but good detail overall. If anything there seems to be a little inconsistency in color saturation where it seems like the color level is a bit low but still looked decent enough. The black levels look very good in the opening scene with the merry go round and the flames IMHO. The sharpness of the image was not great but good but in one case when looking at certain scenes hair seemed to be over sharpened and this could be edge sharpening or just a over sharpening of the entire frame I honestly do not know. But even with some flaws the overall presentation was good and was enjoyable to watch at least on the 55" display I own. I may or may not feel the same with this same title on a projection system with a 80" - 120" screen? The digital effects of the liquid metal on the T-1000 do look a little dated but I have always loved this movie and the story and action keep you glued even if most of us know many of the lines by heart already. This in my opinion is still one of the best movies in the Terminator series and holds a special place in my heart. I do approve of Cameron digital fixing the dreaded window scene in the tow truck after crashing through the barrier on the bridge coming after young John Conner. The audio track is still very good and retains good tonal balance and dynamic punch during weapons fire! And for those who had the 1080p blu-ray with the lossy track the inclusion of a lossless track is very welcome.

    So I will wrap this up as I am not a professional reviewer and am not in the industry so while this release is not perfect and maybe it is not what we completely expected in this 4K UHD release. I found the release worth the purchase and if you have the same blu-ray release I do or maybe you have the dvd release. You might find this release gives you enough bang for the buck to warrant the purchase. For myself even with the lack of film grain and the over sharpness of the hair in some scenes I feel the purchase of the 4K UHD blu-ray was a upgrade from the former blu-ray copy in the area of picture and sound. I would like to thank Robert Harris and others for there honest reviews and there thoughts on the Terminator 2 4K release. It is because of this forum and the professionals involved bring us information so we can know when a transfer has been really messed up like in the case of Patton and a few other releases. There is only one way I will buy this movie again and that is if there is a flawless 4K transfer with the film grain intact before I buy this movie again! For me 4K is my personal studio master quality and I do not need anything better after that. I would love to hear from Cameron why he felt it was a good idea to remove all signs of film grain! I would how ever love to see a new transfer done as I am sure it would be better than what we did end up with. I would love to see this title with a perfect 4K blu-ray transfer!

    Image 3.8
    Sound 5.0
    Upgrade from Blu-ray - In some ways no but in others yes and depending on the actual blu-ray release you have. Overall in my untrained mind I would say yes but it is by no means a strong yes!

    https://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/threads/a-few-words-about-™-terminator-2-in-4k-uhd-blu-ray.355460/#post-4560379


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    Thanks Todd. I was getting ready to pull the trigger when I read your review. I think I will pass on this one.
     
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    I first got T2 on laserdisc before I even had a LD player. (Roger Ebert was responsible for that). I then had at least two T2 DVD's. But I stopped there. I will never buy this movie again until video gets 5/5. I can't believe they released a sub-par UHD of this.

    As for the other Terminator movies that followed, they all suck. Even James Cameron said he is going to 'erase' them in his forthcoming Terminator movie. (Just wish Cameron was directing)
     
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