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SVS Speakers replaced by Klipsch Speakers

Discussion in 'Speakers & Subwoofers' started by Robert Crawford, Aug 17, 2019.

  1. Message #1 of 21 Aug 17, 2019
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    Robert Crawford

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    John,

    How were these speakers delivered to you? I mean did they use UPS? I've looked at this package and why did you replace the SVS speakers? By the way, I see nothing wrong with your review, but perhaps they're sensitive about your pricing remarks.

    @John Dirk
     
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    You can't include external links in a review. I don't think you can even include an Amazon link, you have to use the product code.

    I also don't know why you'd move from SVS to Klipsch.
     
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    Fine on the first observation, and thanks. If that's the problem then I don't understand why they don't just say so. I didn't know.

    I still have the SVS Primes so maybe [based on your thoughts] I'll pull them back out and do a side by side comparo. Subjectively, I'll say this. I'm happy with the Klipsch's. More accurately, my ears are. I'm still breaking them in but my initial thoughts are they offer way more "punch" and headroom than the SVS Primes did. I haven't been able to push them nearly as far [as I could the Primes] without my ears telling me to take it down a notch.

    I also considered the new SVS Prime Pinnacles [remember me asking you about that] and their Ultra towers. You didn't seem too impressed with the Pinnacles compared to the original Prime towers and the Ultras wouldn't fit my room as I need my towers to lay flat.

    Talk to me , @JohnRice
     
  4. Robert Crawford

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    @John Dirk

    John, can you answer my question about how they were delivered?
     
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    Hey @Robert Crawford - Sorry for the late response. I didn't see this until just now.

    My package was delivered via UPS but two days past the projected date. That's not something I appreciate as it can [and did] affect my schedule.

    The SVS Prime Towers are awesome for small to medium sized rooms. I wanted something that was reputed to be suitable for larger rooms. Honestly, my room is likely more accurately characterized as "medium" at 21.5ft Length, 10.6 ft Width and with a standard 8 ft ceiling. When i decided to upgrade, the SVS Ultra towers were at the top of my list but, unfortunately, they have the side-mounted woofers which don't work for me since my towers need to lay flat. As you can see, vertical towers would obstruct my view of the screen.

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    Can’t you stand up the speakers to the sides of the screen? As they are, they’re so close that the width of your soundstage will be extremely limited. Probably should be in another thread, though.
     
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    That's something I've been trying to experiment with a bit more but my initial attempts didn't work out as my screen was obstructed. I'll give it another try with only audio in mind. If the difference is as pronounced as you suggest then I'll consider making some permanent adjustments. I asked SVS about this setup years ago when I purchased the Prime Towers and they said it was perfectly fine.

    If this needs to be in another thread, MODS, please feel free to advise.
     
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    If it was me, I’d have an acoustically transparent screen with the speakers behind it. @Dave Upton is the person to ask about that.
     
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    Well, because you are @JohnRice I decided to test your suggested changes tonight, even though it has already been a challenging day. After church I had two cars to wash plus a bunch of yard work.

    Anyway. I can see what you mean by the limited sound stage. The difference is clear and impressive but the problem of screen obstruction still remains. For now at least, I think I'm leaving things as you suggested. I have a trip coming up. After that, I may take a closer look.
     
  10. Robert Crawford

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    Yeah, I'm thinking of replacing my three main Polk speakers I had forever in my new 4K/Dolby Atmos HT that I have in my home office. It's a small room which is why I'm asking some questions. It's something I might wait to do later on if I come across another speaker sale.
     
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    For home office Atmos use I strongly recommend Pioneer Andrew Jones. Either the speakers with built in Atmos upfiring units or adding the Atmos pucks on top of speakers you already own.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0148NPHO8

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0148NPIM4
     
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    I remain unimpressed with reflecting Atmos speakers. Part of the issue might be that I have those in my main system (eventually going whole hog with the correct implementation, once/if I get motivated) and my main speakers create an extremely open soundstage, so what effect I get from the reflecting ones might be less than in most cases.
     
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    In general, you want to make sure that your speakers are at least as far apart as they are from the primary listening position to image properly. Putting them behind an AT screen is optimal because you don't have the conflicting priorities of screen size and speaker placement which are often at odds. In my room, an AT screen would be much better but isn't feasible, so my speakers somewhat obstruct the screen for the viewers on the edge of the room. It's something that I will be doing differently in my next house for sure.
     
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    I could have sworn you had an AT screen. I wonder who I'm thinking of.
     
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    Well, I came across a speaker sale. I bought (2) Prime Tower speakers with slight blemishes and 1 Prime Center without any blemishes for $1000 from SVS which saves me $350. I wasn't happy with the performances of my old Polk speakers as my front 3 speakers. Those Polk speakers were at least 20 years old so they're officially retired for good.:)
     
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    Just seeing this [somehow] but we are in the same position. My room will not allow for an AT screen either. I've stood my towers up as @JohnRice suggested and used the lens shifting and zoom features of my projector to bring it all together. It sounds better and the screen obstruction has been minimized to the point of being negligible. I'm probably sacrificing a wee bit of picture quality, but...
     
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    I seem to have a real knack for annoying people, but I prefer to understand how things are supposed to be, and then make decisions based on real world limitations. For example, take Dave's comment about spacing of the front speakers. In my HT, my #1 priority is two channel music, so my front speakers are a little closer together than ideal, since two channel music doesn't use a center speaker. I'm OK with that, because I make that choice out of understanding. @John Dirk , you know how frustrated I get regarding placement of Atmos speakers. People simply do not want to know how that should be done. I still haven't done it fully myself, but again, that's my decision. I do plan on implementing a proper 7.1.4 system eventually, like you already have.
     
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    I've got an imperfect layout and 7.1.4 Atmos works with zero complaints for me.

    I've got 2x bounce Atmos and they are way more fun than without Atmos turned on. They will do in a pinch. 'Real' Atmos is way better.
     
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    I've got 5.1.2 Atmos in my small office, using upfiring "Atmos-enabled" speakers. The room has a low ceiling, so they work rather well. It's in the part of the house that was a mobile home, so ceiling speakers are out of the question, at least for the time being.
     
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    The same for me in my small home office in which I'm very happy with the Atmos performance.
     
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