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- Jun 30, 1999
Shamar is not getting a good edit at all.
He's getting the typical Burnett edit of being the lazy and volatile black man. Not saying he isn't, but it's amazing that 99% of the black men they cast fit this mold, either through editing or temperament. At one point, I thought one of the Cool Kids was going to call him "shiftless". It was quite uncomfortable.Originally Posted by Patrick Sun
Shamar is not getting a good edit at all.
It took Rob four or was it five attempts to finally win, seems kind of a reach to call him the second greatest player ever. He certainly was one of the more entertaining characters ever but if he was so great he would have won more than just once. By the time he did win it the other Survivors that season were so star struck from all his reality show appearances, (he had been on Race two times, his own realty show for a season and had his wedding televised on CBS), that they worshiped the guy.Dheiner said:IMNSHO, that's why Sandra is the greatest player ever. 2 games, 2 wins. Rob's a close second, followed by Yul, Parvati and Hatch.
Yeah. This was a really big stretch on their part...to have Probst in his scripted segments constantly referring to the 'age-old feud" between Phillip and Fransesca. Honestly. She has never made it past the premiere episode of a season. How much of a 'feud" could the two of them have?Originally Posted by MatthewLouwrens
The Francesca thing is weird - she was a first boot, and the only memorable thing about her was Philip's inability to say her name.
Great quote, Mike. This almost exactly states my thoughts, too.The beauty of Survivor is in the natural interest created by throwing interesting people together into an unnatural situation. They do NOT need to try and manufacture drama in that way. Same thing with the concept of Redemption Island. Just an unnecessary contrivance on top of the already basic contrivance of the show. It muddies the waters by adding too many layers. Keep it simple.
I think Cochran's got some game in him, for sure.Originally Posted by Sam Posten
I'm surprised that I'm the only one seeing the maturation in Cochrane. I think the guy has outgrown a LOT of his nebbishness. Yes, he got a bad deal with the sunburn early in the season but that's really not his fault.
Look, when Brandon is treating him as an equal at worst and a mentor to get strategy from, you know he has earned a few players respect.
She does! When she was talking with Shamar it looked like a scene from "The Blind Side." So far Brenda doesn't seem to be giving the producers very much usable footage, which bodes well for her game, as I think she may be the smartest player out there. I'd love to see her win.Hanson said:My wife thinks Sherri looks like Sandra Bullock.
Winning cannot be the only measuring stick by which Survivor play is judged. Can you honestly say that Vecepia or Aras or freakin' Fabio are better players than Jonathan Penner or Russell or any number of much smarter players who were eliminated? If the standard is outwit, outplay and outlast, Russell did all three in his first season (I think making it to final tribal council qualifies as 'outlast,' but your mileage may vary). However, this is not a game with an objective scoring system - your fate is determined completely by a jury that should, in a perfect world, respect superior gameplay enough to reward it. Of course, they are under no obligation to do so, which is now Natalie won that season. I'd have to agree with Sandra, Parvati and Hatch among the game's best players ever, but I'd also put Russell and Amanda in there, and I think if Kim Spradlin comes back, she would have a good shot to join those ranks as well.Dheiner said:The object of this game is to win. In order to win, you need to NOT PISS YOUR OWN TEAM OFF. Russell, and apparently, some members of this discussion, have never grasped this fact. The whole point of "Survivor" is to get votes at the end. If you've never won, you are NOT great. IMNSHO, that's why Sandra is the greatest player ever. 2 games, 2 wins. Rob's a close second, followed by Yul, Parvati and Hatch. To me, these ALL put Russell to shame, whether we're talking about "Outwit", "Outplay" or "Outlast". I'd also have a LARGE group of players ahead of Hantz, including Tina, Ethan, Ozzy, Yau-Man, Amber, Jenna, Chris, Brian.......and we're STILL only talking about winners. I won't even go into non-winners names, but many of them were better than Russel at this game. Just remember, biggest ego does NOT mean best player.