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Suprised we're not overwhelmed by fantasy?

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by JohnE, Sep 8, 2002.

  1. JohnE

    JohnE Supporting Actor

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    With the huge sucess of FOTR and all the interest for the rest of the series, I'm sorta suprised that we aren't seeing a wave of announcements for other adaptations of popular fantasy books. Aside from the Harry Potter movies of course.[​IMG] Or have their been announcements and I just missed them?
     
  2. Adam Lenhardt

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    There have been a shitload of options... everything from Chronicles of Narnia to Artemus Fowl (or, the books published as Harry Potter clones even though they have nothing apparent in common.)

    That said, LOTR and Harry Potter are the only two straight fantasy series actually in production. There are of course quasi-fantasy series like Spider-Man/X-Men and Star Wars.
     
  3. Andy Sheets

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    There was an announcement that CS Lewis's Chronicles of Narnia are going to be adapted. I also read somewhere that TH White's The Once and Future King was going to be adapted but I only saw the news that one time, so I'm not sure if that was a false rumor or if the production is just being done more low key. And there was another announcement that New Line had acquired another fantasy franchise to make into films, but I don't recall the names of the books or author. So we're going to be getting fantasy. It's just that everything is in the process of being set up before it hits us [​IMG]
     
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    New Line's fantasy series is "His Dark Materials" by Philip Pullman, which is flat out among the best fantasy I've read in recent years (I rank it up there with 'adult' work by George RR Martin, Robin Hobb, and Orson Scott Card). Personally I'm frightened that an enormous amount will be lost in the Hollywoodization, it could easily be translated directly to the screen with little loss of quality (except maybe the third book), but once they enter the Hollywood script machine (random rewrites with ridiculous changes so that each 'writer' leaves their imprint), and every other way Hollywood manages to thoroughly bastardize books.

    The books themselves are very allegorical to Milton's "Paradise Lost" and the near anti-conservative-christian sentiment in much of the series shocks me that they haven't been burned banned and protested, as there is much more in the books that are patently offensive to the thought/morality police than anything in the much more wholesome and bright (and brilliant) Harry Potter series. I cynically think of these books as something of an anti-Narnia.

    the only bright hope is that it is New Line that has the rights, but will they ever realize (along with other studios) that part of the reason for the succes of LOTR and HP lies in the fact that there were not meaningless changes and that story and character were always central? After all the guy that greenlighted LOTR was fired.

    Perfect director, in my opinion would be Guillermo del Toro he could really make the story sing, a distant second would be Robert Rodrieguz.

    There's a lot of potential in the series, but I doubt that it will ever make it in a recognizable form (other than title/pedigree) to the silver screen

    Adam
     
  5. Adam Lenhardt

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  6. David Rogers

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    I suspect, as various producers and writers and directors pitch this or that fantasy themed project they're trying to get greenlit by moneymen .... showing of LOTR/HP's box office returns as a reason to light the green are being rebutted by showings of Prince Valiant/Kull and so forth.

    Basically, I think the current "no" arguments in Hollywood are phrased along the lines of "yes LOTR made lots of cash as a fantasy film, but it's an exception."

    Hint hint, if you write and direct a *good* fantasy movie, audiences will enjoy and pay for it. If you offer crap, they won't.

    My argument is LOTR succeeds because fantasy is great storytelling when done right (i.e., non-camp, non-hokey, with a proper script and not looking like an amateur project)
     
  7. Andy_S

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    I'm actually surprised that 'The Hobbit' hasn't been talked about. A prequel to a successful trilogy wouldn't be groundbreaking at this point [​IMG]
    I doubt Peter Jackson would want to do it though. I'm sure he's sick of LoTR by now.
     
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  9. Michael Martin

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    More on-topic than my last post...
    I think one reason we won't be flooded by fantasy movies from Hollywood is that, by and large, Hollywood still has NO idea how to cinematically tell a good fantasy story.
    The general crappiness of most Hollywood fantasy attests to this. Very, very fantast movies from the last 30 years are really any good - as in hold up over time, despite the advances in special effects.
    I'll pick on an HTF favorite -- Willow. Willow was released in the late 80s, when I was reading fantasy books like crazy, played D&D, and knew what I wanted from a fantasy movie. Willow showed that Hollywood understood the separate ELEMENTS correctly, but has a great deal of trouble telling an effective story. Most people think that fantasy just means magic and dragons and a complete detachment from reality. In truth, a good fantasy needs to have an even stronger story than "straight" fiction, because the audience needs an anchor and reference point.
    Off the top of my head, only three movies in the last 20 years really succeeded in telling a good fantasy story -- Conan the Barbarian (don't even talk to me about the steaming manure pile of a sequel), Dragonslayer and Fellowship of the Ring.
    Some may argue that the Star Wars movies are fantasy (and I agree they have far more similarities to fantasy than hard-core sci-fi), but because of the technology elements, I don't think of them as the same kind of movie. Same as The Princess Bride, which is a GREAT film, but not really a fantasy film per se.
    Just my two cents.
     
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    there actually should have been an 'oddly' in that original post of mine so it would read
     
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    I just want to say that i agree with Michael M. Hollywood really doesn't kow how to make a good fantasy movie. If you think about it creatively making a good fantasy movie requires a lot of effort, much more so that the easier path of drama or action in our "world." I used to read a lot of sci-fi (a fantasy of sorts) and the books that always stuck with me were the one that had a good, consistant and at least somewhat detailed world to tell the story in. When creating a whole new realm you have to paint each indiviual detail of the reality yo uwant to make. "Why does this clan hate that clan?" "Why was there a great war ages ago?" Look at FOTR. Think of all the history and depth that has to be created to make the story interesting (Tolkien=genius). It makes you realise what you take for granted when you watch a non fantasy flick. I feel more often than not Hollywood actually understands these more daunting obstacles and naturally opts for the more sure thing.

    I would also like to add Legend as a quality fantasy movie.
     
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    And where is the clone film from another studio that always follows on the coat-tails of a successful movie....
     
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    Cost is another factor too. Any fantasy project - especially based on multivolume series are going to be very expensive.

    Without the right set of circumstances like with LOTR shooting in New Zealand with a very favourable exchange rate - the prospects of launching a fantasy series of movies will probably remain low.
     
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    Just a brief comment on "His Dark Materials":

    I don't think it is anti-God, more like anti-organized religion. The church in this series is trying to surpress the truth to keep their power base (and because they don't know what it means.) Also, there is a lot of seeking for God for all the wrong reasons, that in the end could be the end of humanity.

    The "God" in this series seems to be something beyond human understanding. I take the meaning of it all to be that we are all a part of God. We also create our own hell as well as heaven.

    Take all of this with a grain of salt, because I'm still not sure that I understood the conclusions. I need to reread "The Amber Spyglass" again.

    That being said, I think it would be a rather difficult series to make suitible to a general audience, according to Hollywood standards. Lots of bad stuff happens, and I can see them toneing down some elements. Last I heard, Tom Stoppard was hired to write a script. Should be interesting, to say the least.

    Now, as for the lack of Fantasy films, it is partially because there haven't been many good ones, and there is a lot of people who find Fantasy "silly". I don't think LotR is changing that perception. There are still plenty that find FotR silly and overwrought. I was hoping for more of a Star Wars reaction, but maybe my hopes were too high...

    Jason
     
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    I think Clive Barker's Imagica would make a very interesting "adult" fantasy film....although it would have to be rated NC-17 if it were to be faithful to the novel, and it would cost about as much as the entire LOTR trilogy.
     

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