What's new

Todd Erwin

Reviewer
HW Reviewer
Senior HTF Member
Joined
Apr 16, 2008
Messages
10,438
Location
Hawthorne, NV
Real Name
Todd Erwin
Superman: The Movie released as part of the Superman 5-Film Collection boxed set, Warner has for some unknown reason omitted the original 70mm 5.1 mix from the 2018 release and replaced it with an inferior 2.0 stereo mix, but retained the UPC code from that prior release.



Superman (1978)



Released: 15 Dec 1978
Rated: PG
Runtime: 143 min




Director: Richard Donner
Genre: Action, Adventure, Drama, Sci-Fi



Cast: Marlon Brando, Gene Hackman, Christopher Reeve, Ned Beatty
Writer(s): Jerry Siegel (character created by: Superman), Joe Shuster (character created by: Superman), Mario Puzo (story), Mario Puzo (screenplay), David Newman (screenplay), Leslie Newman (screenplay), Robert Benton (screenplay)



Plot: An alien orphan is sent from his dying...

Continue reading...
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Bryan Tuck

Screenwriter
Joined
Jan 16, 2002
Messages
1,983
Real Name
Bryan Tuck
My guess on the audio issue is that maybe whoever was supervising the audio materials here was under the mistaken impression that the 5.1 on the 2018 UHD was a remix, and so replaced it with the "original" stereo.

As much as I appreciate Warner being more willing to include original audio mixes on their recent releases of older films, it seems that they might not quite understand the nuances of what that actually means.
 

TonyD

Who do we think I am?
Ambassador
Senior HTF Member
Joined
Dec 1, 1999
Messages
24,315
Location
Gulf Coast
Real Name
Tony D.
Same upc so no way to know if you found an original release with the theatrical fx Mix.
 

Josh Steinberg

Premium
Reviewer
Senior HTF Member
Joined
Jun 10, 2003
Messages
26,356
Real Name
Josh Steinberg
Same upc so no way to know if you found an original release with the theatrical fx Mix.

It’s in tiny print on the technical specs box at the rear bottom of the actual package, so if you see it in a physical store (or buy a used copy from someone who can take an actual photo instead of using a stock one) you should be able to tell that way - but fully agree that a new SKU should have been issued.
 

Josh Steinberg

Premium
Reviewer
Senior HTF Member
Joined
Jun 10, 2003
Messages
26,356
Real Name
Josh Steinberg
I already have it but good info for anyone who doesn’t and wants to.

I don’t have a UHD player so I never got around to buying it but I might have to now just to future proof myself with a copy of the 5.1 mix.
 

Bryan Tuck

Screenwriter
Joined
Jan 16, 2002
Messages
1,983
Real Name
Bryan Tuck
Same upc so no way to know if you found an original release with the theatrical fx Mix.

Just to be clear, the 2.0 on the new UHD has the original sfx, too. It's just taken from the weaker 35mm stereo mix. The 5.1 was from the 70mm six-track with better fidelity, separation, and... well, oomph. :)
 

Tino

Taken As Ballast
Premium
Senior HTF Member
Joined
Apr 19, 1999
Messages
23,633
Location
Metro NYC
Real Name
Valentino
“We still get the very good Dolby Atmos mix created for the 2108 release”

Hmm….are you a time traveler @Todd Erwin ?;)
 

Sgecko79

Auditioning
Joined
May 7, 2023
Messages
7
Location
Indiana
Real Name
Rob
The 2018 issue of Superman the movie has a 5.1 Dolby Digital soundtrack that is a total re-engineering compiled from all existing soundstock and sperated into 5 discrete channels: LF-C-RF in the front, LS-RS in the rear, supported by LFE (the .1 channel, low frequency effect) that can be placed anywhere (subwoofer). The 70mm 6 channel Dolby Stereo tracks consisted of 6 discrete ANALOGUE channels: L-LC-C-RC-R in the front behind the screen, and 1 mono surround in the back, with no LFE subwoofers. The DTS MA 2.0 track bitrate of 48kHz is obviously superior to the 640 kbps of 2018's 5.1 DD track which suffers from severe digital compression loss as a result of shrinking the file size by almost 1000%.-(not exagerated). The 2 channel DTS track has no loss in fidelity as made evident by the 48kHz bitrate of a 2 channel track.
 
Last edited:

Sgecko79

Auditioning
Joined
May 7, 2023
Messages
7
Location
Indiana
Real Name
Rob
Superman was not a WB studio production. It was an independently produced film, and was shot to look as it does.
Superman: The Movie looks incredible compared to many of the films from that era, and the credit for all of that goes to Warner Bros and Richard Donner. The Salkinds fully intended to make a fast turnaround on their money filming their terrible script, loaded with movie stars, and foregoing all production value. Then they mistakenly hired Donner. When Donner realized how embarrassingly cheap the movie would look under the Salkinds production, who wouldn't give him any money, he went to WB executives with the problem. Warner, being the parent company of DC at the time (and currently), decided not to allow DC's flagship to be tarnished on screen so they ended up giving the funds to Donner for some of the most important parts necessary for the production; number 1, FLYING. The Salkinds were content with flying animations and a guy laying on plexiglass with a camera overhead.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Sign up for our newsletter

and receive essential news, curated deals, and much more







You will only receive emails from us. We will never sell or distribute your email address to third party companies at any time.

Latest Articles

Forum statistics

Threads
356,998
Messages
5,128,029
Members
144,227
Latest member
maanw2357
Recent bookmarks
0
Top