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Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Patrick McCart, Dec 19, 2002.
Sunrise DVD extras:
I thought you said there wasn't going to be a restoration and you were waiting on Brownlow to get his hands on the film elements when Fox's rights to the film expires?
Are those Fox classics already 'pre-orderable'?
All About Eve
How Green is my Valley
I think the pre order price is $ 12,99
If you're going to be opinionated without being shy in sharing those opinions then expect others to challenge your comments. By the way, I was just ribbing you which is why I had a wink smilie in my previous post.
it is great to see Patrick & Crawdaddy going for another round. Good to see that Sunrise is getting all the publicity in the mean time.
By the end of January i will have my copy.
Patrick, since I know you are going to get your copy of Sunrise as well, are you posting a review as well for all us HTFers.
Very impressed, I didn't expect this to have any extras at all. Thank you Fox for giving this film the respect it deserves.
I had figured on Fox slipping out SUNRISE (1927) with barely a shrug - and I’m actually glad to have been proven wrong! I’m still not crazy about the fact that I have to tear up three other DVD covers in order to get it - but if this was the ONLY way that could have ensured Murnau’s silent masterpiece a DVD release, it will have to be accepted as a necessary sacrifice!
As for the DVD supplements, we get some really interesting stuff: though both the Documentary and the Restoration Commentary are bound to deliver the goods, I’m stunned by the inclusion of the reconstructed FOUR DEVILS (1928), Murnau’s lost circus drama, to say nothing of its complete screenplay (though I hope the latter will not be accessed solely through a DVD-ROM drive)! Being a foreigner, I couldn’t watch TCM’s recent ‘showing’ of another lost silent classic, Tod Browning’s LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT (1927), but I would think that Fox’s reconstruction will be done on similar lines.
Well, it’s certainly great that by early next year we will have a clutch of wonderful Murnau films on DVD: THE HAUNTED CASTLE (1921: to be released by Image on 03/11/03); we are already spoilt for choice when it comes to NOSFERATU (1922; personally, I recently purchased Image’s SE and will soon be getting Kino’s “German Horror Classics” Box Set!); THE LAST LAUGH (1924; from Kino, which I own); FAUST (1926; I’ve already got Kino’s R1 edition, but have been toying with the idea of purchasing Eureka’s R2 disc as well, for the inclusion of a feature-length Audio Commentary!); SUNRISE (along with what remains of FOUR DEVILS, from Fox); and TABU (1931; another SE from Image, as part of their “The Milestone Collection” series).
Last year, the British Film Institute had shown a month-long retrospective of this master’s work which I wish I could have attended, including at least another six films which have yet to surface on DVD: JOURNEY INTO THE NIGHT (1920), PHANTOM (1922), THE BURNING EARTH (1922), THE GRAND DUKE’S FINANCES (1924), TARTUFFE (1926) and CITY GIRL (1930; originally entitled OUR DAILY BREAD). Let’s hope, therefore, that these rare films will not be too far away either!
This is great news. I've never seen this film, but I can't wait to get it and see what I've been missing.
I'm am totally shocked to see this disc have any extras at all. I seem to remember quite a bit of talk that there was little to no market for this film - thus the rebate style way of getting it. If this is true, why would they spend the extra time & money on producing extras. It seems a bit fishy to me, but I'm not complaining.
Nothing against Lowry Digital Images...
But Sunrise is NOT a film which should go through their
process of homogenization.
Sunrise has something called grain structure.
LDI films do not have grain structure.
Films which have gone through the LDI process apparently never had grain structure and do not now need grain structure.
A lack of grain would leave Sunrise decidedly out of focus.
Grain is our friend.
FYI, I'd actually pass on the Kino edition of Nosferatu and wait for the Milestone Video version.
Their edition will be from Kevin Brownlow's Photoplay Productions and should feature an orchestral Carl Davis score. While Kino's edition may look great and have considerable features...the lack of effective scores (both are avant garde style scores). Other titles in the series will be Phantom of the Opera (2-disc SE with Carl Davis score and two cuts of the film) and "It" with Clara Bow.
Mr. Harris, you made a good point... I'm hoping LDI could come up with a system which would be able to keep the original grain structure... It seems like the studios they work for prefer the ultra-smooth images, but perhaps if given the 'OK, just keep the grain and lose the damage.
My main liking for the LDI system is the dirt, scratch, and scar removal. If DVDs such as North By Northwest and Singin' In The Rain were kept in the original grain "look," I'd like them just as much. Perhaps in the future, they could find a way to reduce just excess grain and keep/approximate the original grain structure.
The Wizard of Oz is nearly spotless, yet retains the grain. Obviously, the Kansas sequences are grainer due to being dupe negative material (which is a pity), but they still have a rich look.
I love how Criterion practices this process by removing the scars, but keeping the grain. Their nearly spotless transfers for Notorious and 8 1/2 look wonderful.
Patrick...while I've only witnessed your struggle to see a normal release for SUNRISE, I have to applaud you for your unrelenting efforts.
I saw no problems in your tenacity and vigorous appeals. I was disturbed to see a contingent on this board chastise you for your passion, which I never saw as acerbic or overzealous.
Although I appreciate the renewed interest in HTF by the studios, I am concerned that any earnest and significant dissenting voices will be squashed in the name of preserving the relationship - tip toe through the tulips.
I'm sure Circuit City and it's Divx partners thought of the anti-divx contingent as zeolots and malcontents too.
Anyway, simply keep your passion stoked. In order for the minority voice of the true cinephile + populist like yourself be heard above the herd, you had to sound the horn, and loudly.
Congrats on this victory, and also, thanks to Fox for loosening the reigns on what was a constrictive policy. I would have never bought Sunrise if I had to go through hoops that were in place before - both my budget is tightening along with my limited patience for mailing in UPS's and proof-of-purchases.
Now that the hurdles are cleared, I'll keep my eye out for this title. One which I've never seen, but after all this hoopla, one I'll look forward to getting relatively easily.
Rain, Sunrise is still special-offer-only. It's just that it WILL be a high-quality, extra-packed disc.
Quote (originally posted by Patrick McCart):
“FYI, I'd actually pass on the Kino edition of NOSFERATU and wait for the Milestone Video version.
Their edition will be from Kevin Brownlow's Photoplay Productions and should feature an orchestral Carl Davis score. While Kino's edition may look great and have considerable features...the lack of effective scores (both are avant garde style scores). Other titles in the series will be PHANTOM OF THE OPERA (2-disc SE with Carl Davis score and two cuts of the film) and IT with Clara Bow.”
Patrick, what can you tell me about Milestone’s upcoming edition of NOSFERATU (1922) as regards to Special Features, apart from the Carl Davis score? I wish they could also borrow the James Bernard music track included on the BFI’s R2 DVD – so far, it’s not been used for any R1 disc, which is a pity!
I purchased Image’s SE of NOSFERATU more for the Audio Commentary and the other supplements than the film itself, as the Kino DVD is reported to contain additional footage and, more importantly, is better framed than the Image version. I have also acquired Image’s DVD of THE CABINET OF DR. CALIGARI (1919), again for the extras, as Kino’s version (also included in the “German Horror Classics” Box Set) is said to be superior on all fronts!
Milestone hasn't announced anything for Nosferatu yet.
However, given how well their Phantom of the Opera DVD will be done, I'd expect similar treatment.
Dumb question maybe but how does FOX make back the costs of producing this DVD if it's one of those mail-in deals? Do you have to buy those 3 DVD's, send in POP's and you get the "Sunrise" disc *OR* do all that *and* pay whatever price FOX has set for the disc?
While I'm pleased that FOX would make a good effort for this DVD, I guess.....I guess I'm just surprised that said effort would be put into something that won't be made available in stores or e-tailers.
Nosferatu from Milestone will have a music score by James Bernard. Photoplay Productions do not always use Carl Davis.
I'm really excited about the Sunrise DVD and can't wait to see it!