David Coleman
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Wanting to get input from the forum members here as to what would make DVD-A a successful format?
As of now I only have a DVD-A player but my next purchase will be a "universal" so i'll have the ability to play SACD so I won't be missing out on any "hi-rez" music in the future. Though i've only heard SACD in those store kiosk I must admit that i've been impressed by the sound i've heard but then again i've been impressed by DVD-A too!
From just my own opinion I kinda have a preference for DVD-A simply because it has the multi-media potential that I think in the long run is what people are going to be looking for. The advantages (ignoring the hirez for the moment) for now is that you can not only have video and image and graphics but you can also have ROM material on it also. This is something that the ECD wants to do but can't. DVD-A is the only format you can load into any DVD player and listen to wheter you have access to the hirez or not and be able to access the multi media abilities!
Getting back the the Hirez aspects i've found DVD-A to be excellent sonically wheter it's listening in surround (my preference as long as the mix is good) or the 2.0. I do think that an overlooked aspect by producers and possibly consumers is the 24/192 stereo transfers. I only have 2 ( Steely Dan- Everything Must Go and Grover Washington Jr- Winelight) but those recordings have a presence that truly overwhelms me! I've never heard such fidelity in stereo and the "good" surround mixes that i've heard have sounded excellent in 24/96. All in all I find it an excellent product!
However... they have really shot themselves in the foot when it comes to releasing this format!
I'm not sure they powers that be have a clue as to how to market it and it's sad cause it's such an excellent format! Now i'm not knocking it's "open" standards because I believe that content providers should have some say in what's released and marketing concerns will bring about a consencious.
I have no problem with a smaller label wanting to do only surround releases. I think that's good and gives them a chance to compete in a marketplace they probably wouldn't have been able to be in before if they had to release a 2.0 like SACD does. I'll be honest i'm mostly into hirez for the surround and so are a great many others too! Also amongst the majors they know they can't just release something in surround only and expect the buying public to be appeased so we'll get 2.0 along with available surround.
The problems I have with the format besides it's "lack of releases" and constant cancellations or postponements are navigational. All DVD-V released nowadays load to a menu where you have the option to press play. Now DVD-A needs to adopt this also!!
I would like to load up my disc and have it load to a menu without having some "stupid" intro before the disc loads and i'd like it to not be video intensive! I do see that the standards seem to be shifting so that group 1 contains both hirez tracks which can be accessed by toggling the audio button! This is good cause this negates the need for a monitor to know what you are listening to.
However that part of the spec needs along with other navigation aspects need to be consistent among the content providers and the manufactures. On my JVC player I can't simply press the number on my remote to directly access the song I want while the disc is playing on my Warner and my Arista releases? However if the disc is stopped I can press the number directly? Weird isn't it? However I can access directly while playing on my Teldec or Universal discs? However on my Universal discs I can't toggle the audio without changing groups? See what I mean by not consistent?
Now i'd like to get the input of everyone on how to make DVD-A a better more marketable product!
Some of my suggestions:
Make navigational requirements the same on every released discs! Let group 1 allow you to toggle the hirez tracks. Let group 2 and or 3 allow you to access the VIDEO portion of the discs whether that's DD or DTS or video content! Let ALL disc load to the start of a menu (without a stupid Rhino or Arista) intro without automatically playing. Let the user press play- please!!
Make the pricing consistent across all content providers. There is no reason for EMI releases (of which I have none) retail at $24.95 while the other range from $17.98-$18.98!
I have no problems with digitally recorded content being released in it's native resolution. To state otherwise is misleading but at least when transferring analog content 24/96 should be the minimum ( I think you'll see this become consistent among providers as that's the expectation) with a real look at providing the stereo at 24/192!
Most importantly... release, release, release!!! I'm sorry I don't really see why the output has been so paltry thus far! It's release schedule should at least be on par with SACD. I'm sorry, outside of the royalties and transfers (which both formats share) I don't see what all the delay is! I honestly wouldn't care if the disc had no added content outside the audio itself if that's what the holdup is!
I'd like to hear from you all as to what DVD- A needs to do to right itself?
As of now I only have a DVD-A player but my next purchase will be a "universal" so i'll have the ability to play SACD so I won't be missing out on any "hi-rez" music in the future. Though i've only heard SACD in those store kiosk I must admit that i've been impressed by the sound i've heard but then again i've been impressed by DVD-A too!
From just my own opinion I kinda have a preference for DVD-A simply because it has the multi-media potential that I think in the long run is what people are going to be looking for. The advantages (ignoring the hirez for the moment) for now is that you can not only have video and image and graphics but you can also have ROM material on it also. This is something that the ECD wants to do but can't. DVD-A is the only format you can load into any DVD player and listen to wheter you have access to the hirez or not and be able to access the multi media abilities!
Getting back the the Hirez aspects i've found DVD-A to be excellent sonically wheter it's listening in surround (my preference as long as the mix is good) or the 2.0. I do think that an overlooked aspect by producers and possibly consumers is the 24/192 stereo transfers. I only have 2 ( Steely Dan- Everything Must Go and Grover Washington Jr- Winelight) but those recordings have a presence that truly overwhelms me! I've never heard such fidelity in stereo and the "good" surround mixes that i've heard have sounded excellent in 24/96. All in all I find it an excellent product!
However... they have really shot themselves in the foot when it comes to releasing this format!
I'm not sure they powers that be have a clue as to how to market it and it's sad cause it's such an excellent format! Now i'm not knocking it's "open" standards because I believe that content providers should have some say in what's released and marketing concerns will bring about a consencious.
I have no problem with a smaller label wanting to do only surround releases. I think that's good and gives them a chance to compete in a marketplace they probably wouldn't have been able to be in before if they had to release a 2.0 like SACD does. I'll be honest i'm mostly into hirez for the surround and so are a great many others too! Also amongst the majors they know they can't just release something in surround only and expect the buying public to be appeased so we'll get 2.0 along with available surround.
The problems I have with the format besides it's "lack of releases" and constant cancellations or postponements are navigational. All DVD-V released nowadays load to a menu where you have the option to press play. Now DVD-A needs to adopt this also!!
I would like to load up my disc and have it load to a menu without having some "stupid" intro before the disc loads and i'd like it to not be video intensive! I do see that the standards seem to be shifting so that group 1 contains both hirez tracks which can be accessed by toggling the audio button! This is good cause this negates the need for a monitor to know what you are listening to.
However that part of the spec needs along with other navigation aspects need to be consistent among the content providers and the manufactures. On my JVC player I can't simply press the number on my remote to directly access the song I want while the disc is playing on my Warner and my Arista releases? However if the disc is stopped I can press the number directly? Weird isn't it? However I can access directly while playing on my Teldec or Universal discs? However on my Universal discs I can't toggle the audio without changing groups? See what I mean by not consistent?
Now i'd like to get the input of everyone on how to make DVD-A a better more marketable product!
Some of my suggestions:
Make navigational requirements the same on every released discs! Let group 1 allow you to toggle the hirez tracks. Let group 2 and or 3 allow you to access the VIDEO portion of the discs whether that's DD or DTS or video content! Let ALL disc load to the start of a menu (without a stupid Rhino or Arista) intro without automatically playing. Let the user press play- please!!
Make the pricing consistent across all content providers. There is no reason for EMI releases (of which I have none) retail at $24.95 while the other range from $17.98-$18.98!
I have no problems with digitally recorded content being released in it's native resolution. To state otherwise is misleading but at least when transferring analog content 24/96 should be the minimum ( I think you'll see this become consistent among providers as that's the expectation) with a real look at providing the stereo at 24/192!
Most importantly... release, release, release!!! I'm sorry I don't really see why the output has been so paltry thus far! It's release schedule should at least be on par with SACD. I'm sorry, outside of the royalties and transfers (which both formats share) I don't see what all the delay is! I honestly wouldn't care if the disc had no added content outside the audio itself if that's what the holdup is!
I'd like to hear from you all as to what DVD- A needs to do to right itself?