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[Ron-P]

Originally Posted by Jefferson Morris

I don't know. All I really know for sure at this point is, I want to see the director's cut and its extra 18 minutes, and I want this on blu-ray yesterday.

Where did you find out about this?

 

[Adam Lenhardt]

My problem with the ending is that...

I had no emotional investment in Sweet Pea. For all of the talk about "who's story is this?", it was obviously Baby Doll's. Trading allegiances like that can and has been done successfully. But it either happened early enough that we had time to invest in the new character before the end (Psycho) or we'd invested significantly enough in the alternate character that we're invested right from the get-go when the switch happened. We never got to see Sweet Pea outside of the jealous/loyal sister trope, so I couldn't muster more than ambivalence about her escape.

Originally Posted by Ron-P


Snyder mentions the 18-minute longer cut in the video interview.

 

[Don Solosan]

(You shouldn't even be reading this thread if you haven't seen the movie, but want to. You have been warned!)





"I thought the ending was pretty clear cut, sans the spoiler question above."


What about the fact that the final scene is in the fantasy world? We don't know whose fantasy it is. The bordello world seemed to be Baby Doll's fantasy, and if the final scene is Sweet Pea's, then how can she know about the Wise Man? If it's Baby Doll's, then is it meaningless?


We don't know what's become of Sweet Pea, other than she seems to have escaped. There's no mention of what happened to the other girls.


And I agree with Adam that it's Baby Doll's story. Think about "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest": it's R.P. McMurphy's story all the way. In the book, Chief Broom is narrating and is the main beneficiary of McMurphy's rebellion, but he's not the main character.

 

[Ron-P]

Yes, please don't read if you've not seen the film yet...spoilers below!




There's no question that this entire film is Baby Doll's fantasy, her escape for dealing with sexual abuse, the death of her sister and so on. The only thing real is her being locked in a psych ward. The other girls, the bordello, everything is her fantasy.

I saw the ending like this. Because this is Baby's fantasy anything can happen, so she, in a sense, becomes Sweet Pea, escaping the psych ward, her life of sexual abuse and the guilt of killing her sister. Becoming Sweet Pea allows her to live a life free of all that pain. I could be way off base though. The only thing I cannot figure out is who that young kid is, the one in the trenches and then gets on the bus in front of Sweet Pea. I also don't remember who noticed him in the trenches, which girl that was.

All I know is, I'm going back this weekend to see it again.

 

[Jefferson Morris]

Originally Posted by Ron-P

 

[Don Solosan]

"There's no question that this entire film is Baby Doll's fantasy,"


Well, stay away from IMDB because over there, people are arguing the exact opposite: that the whole film is Sweet Pea's fantasy. Some think that Baby Doll and Sweet Pea are the only real characters, the rest are imaginary. Some think the girls represent various parts of Baby Doll's fractured psyche. Others think they belong to Sweet Pea.


So don't say there's no question. Maybe there's no question for you, but a lot of other people are putting a lot of thought into debating their various interpretations of this film. Hardly the sign of a simple popcorn movie...

 

[Tino]

Great visuals, sound, score and action scenes...but the rest? Ugh!


I'll still buy it on Blu though..

 

[Ron-P]

Originally Posted by Don Solosan

Well, stay away from IMDB because over there, people are arguing the exact opposite: that the whole film is Sweet Pea's fantasy. Some think that Baby Doll and Sweet Pea are the only real characters, the rest are imaginary. Some think the girls represent various parts of Baby Doll's fractured psyche. Others think they belong to Sweet Pea.


So don't say there's no question. Maybe there's no question for you, but a lot of other people are putting a lot of thought into debating their various interpretations of this film. Hardly the sign of a simple popcorn movie...

Now that you say that, I do remember a scene in the film, towards the end what Baby Doll makes some sort of comment of it not being her fantasy, but Sweet Pea's, or something along those lines.


It's debates like this, and like you pointed out Don, it's far more then just a popcorn movie, it's damn good film making.


Still, no one has answered my question about the young kid in the trenches and than showing up again on the bus. Who is he and why is he there?

 

[Don Solosan]

"Now that you say that, I do remember a scene in the film, towards the end what Baby Doll makes some sort of comment of it not being her fantasy, but Sweet Pea's, or something along those lines."


When we first meet her, Sweet Pea says something to the effect that "I'm the star of the show." She also narrates the beginning and end, and Baby Doll even says, "This isn't my story, it's about you" to her. I'm not convinced this is Snyder's intention, but at least people are backing up their ideas with specifics from the film.


"Still, no one has answered my question about the young kid in the trenches and than showing up again on the bus. Who is he and why is he there?"


He's Eli Snyder, the director's son, who appeared as Young Rorschach in Watchmen, and Young Leonides in 300. I have not yet heard a good explanation of what he's doing in this film (narratively speaking).

 

[Cory S.]

Actually, Amber, Rocket, and Blondie are in the first level of "reality" when Baby Doll is escorted into the "Theater" for the first time. There's one shot of the three girls at the same table, looking at Baby Doll, as her stepfather and Blue discuss Baby Doll's treatment at the asylum.

 

[Brian Dobbs]

Don't know why this film is getting so much hate. This was a story conceived by Snyder, so you gotta hand it to the guy for at least trying to come up with something original. I loved the visuals, and I thought the acting and direction was great. If you don't like this movie, don't blame the director, blame the writer. ;-)


I'm still looking forward to Snyder's Superman.

 

[Ron-P]

I am also looking forward to (yet another) Super Man, now that Nolan's out of the directing chair. Zach can do no wrong in my book, and only improves with each film. But, as for now, I'm already booked for a second viewing of Sucker Punch on Sunday morning.

 

[BrettGallman]

If this is any indication, as long as Snyder isn't writing Superman, it should be fine.


I especially can't wait to see Amy Adams's midriff in the role of Lois Lane. :p

 

[Ron-P]

You and me both Brett.

 

[Patrick Sun]

"Sucker Punch" is an exercise in indulgent filmmaking that fails in building tension and momentum, but rather relies on action segments strung along with porous connective tissue, resulting in action-filled vignettes suitable for showing off your home theater system, but utterly fails in crafting characters the viewer can invest in, and ultimately undercuts its premise by limping to a finish that was simultaneously plodding and welcomed for all the wrong reasons.


The bits of acting requiring dialogue was unengaging, and dull and lifeless. Some of the scenes between Abbie Cornish and Jenna Malone were poorly directed and offputting. The actor who was cast as Blue was a terrible choice. Felt bad for Carla Gugino stuck in this role feigning a hammy Russian accent. Emily Browning as Babydoll is hit-or-miss for me, she lacked a certain "stage" presence that failed to buoy the film.


The rhythm and footage from the action sequences were put together well, but within the scope of the film, it felt more directorially masturbatory and cinematically pointless at times. Are there some beautifully crafted battles and confrontations in this film, sure, but it's a matter of the sum of the parts not adding up together to a more cohesive whole for this film. With a better script and acting performances, there's a decent film in there, but in its current form, "Sucker Punch" is a deeply flawed cinematic treatise on women empowerment viewed through the mental recesses of Babydoll's mind. Zack Snyder deserves all the praise and all the derison that comes his way. He is still all flash, no substance, but he's trying to raise his game, but this was not his break-through.


I give it 2 stars, or a grade of C.

 

[Don Solosan]

"Felt bad for Carla Gugino stuck in this role feigning a hammy Russian accent."


Maybe it felt off because the character was actually Polish...

 

[Malcolm R]

Dropped 76% at the box office from last Friday.

 

[Ron-P]

As bad as this film is doing hopefully will result in a quick release to Blu-ray.

 

[Patrick Sun]

Originally Posted by Don Solosan

"Felt bad for Carla Gugino stuck in this role feigning a hammy Russian accent."


Maybe it felt off because the character was actually Polish...

Did they share that detail in the film? Just curious, I just didn't recall it if they made mention of it.


I do want to see the excised 18 minutes of musical numbers, though. I felt like I got cheated, like I did when Deathproof didn't show us the lapdance sequence in the theatrical cut, but included it in the DVD/BD later on.

 

[Ron-P]

The only musical number you'll see in the DC is that of "Love is the Drug". The one they show in the end credits, in pieces. You won't see Baby Doll's dance, and that I am glad for. Some things are better left to the imagination and this is one of those.

And no, there's no mention in the film about her being Polish.




Here's the video featuring Zack and his comments on the DC cut of the film...


http://collider.com/zack-snyder-interview-sucker-punch-superman-man-steel/82024/