Subtitle confusion!

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  1. carl_b_byrne

    carl_b_byrne Agent

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    Can someone tell me the difference b/w player generated and movie generated subtitles. Ive seen talk of it on the forum, but I am a little confused as to which is which!

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  2. Allan Jayne

    Allan Jayne Cinematographer

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    Movie generated -- The subtitles are put there during movie production, are part of the video pixels, always occupy the same place on the screen, and may be in the letterbox bar with the movie being non-16:9 enhanced to make room for the subtitles outside the picture.

    Player generated -- The subtites are coded separately from the video pixels, processed by the player, may be in a choice of languages, and usually the player gives you a choice of where the subtitles appear on the screen.

    CC Closed Captioning -- Is embedded somewhere in scan lines 481-525 (for NTSC) of analog video. Laserdisk players and VCR's don't do any processing of them and the TV with the CC feature processes them and lets you turn them on or off. These scan lines are not included on DVD and broadcast DTV raw data so an alternative player generated encoding is used.

    Video hints:
    http://members.aol.com/ajaynejr/video.htm
     
  3. Mike Williams

    Mike Williams Screenwriter

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    Not to mention, player generated subtitles look like total crap. Notice the subtitles in Star Wars: Episode 2 . . . HIDEOUS!
     
  4. carl_b_byrne

    carl_b_byrne Agent

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    So then the surprisingly ugly yellow subtitles that I detest are probably from my machine (panny rp-51)?
     
  5. Michael Reuben

    Michael Reuben Studio Mogul

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    Yes. And the easiest way to prove it is by turning them off. If the subtitles have been burned into the movie, there's no way to turn them off.

    M.
     
  6. Sean Conklin

    Sean Conklin Screenwriter

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    The player generated sub-titles seem to butcher up the original dialogue too. Lots of missing dialogue and substitution words. At least on "Real Genius", as I found out the other day.
     
  7. Michael Reuben

    Michael Reuben Studio Mogul

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    That has nothing to do with the fact that they're player-generated.

    M.
     
  8. Sean Conklin

    Sean Conklin Screenwriter

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    So the player only displays what the disc tells it to?
     
  9. Allan Jayne

    Allan Jayne Cinematographer

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    I think it is common for subtitles to be shorter than the actual dialog, in order to fit in the space allotted and remain there for a reasonable length of time for readability. This requires rewording.
     

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