Still curious about THX UItra 2

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  1. Aaron E. Smith

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    I've done some reading on THX Ultra 2 and I still feel unsatisfied about my knowledge of what it offers. From the sound of it, Ultra 2 should be somewhat of a competitor for Lexicon's Logic 7. Now that Ultra 2 is filtering down to more units, has anyone else managed to gather a little info. about this aspect of Ultra 2?

    Thanks!
     
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  3. Aaron E. Smith

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    Yea, that's exactly what has annoyed me. If it competes with Logic 7--even if it is inferior--I will probably kiss Lexicon goodbye. However, I really love a 7.1 setup and it seems that without some sort of proprietary processing, the extra speakers are mostly a waste.
    So let's hear some more folks! Camp and I are interested!
    [​IMG]
     
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    Hey Aaron,

    Why would you concider giving up your Lexicon for THX 2 ? If they are competing formats and basicaly do the same thing? I would keep the Lexicon hands down. I only wish I could afford to go the Lexicon route. My later down the road I will have the Lexicon in my system. The Lexicon gear I have heard to date has been awsum but to tell you the truth I do not remeber the specs. Is your Lexicon 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1 ?
     
  5. Anthony June

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    Aaron the thing to keep in mind about the two is that logic 7 is based off of the proprietary algorithms that have been designed by Lexicon and based off their Pro and acoustic experience. They are not competing formats.

    THX is not as flexible with the the way you can listen to that sound mode as logic 7 is, Ultra 2 is designed to allow you to have an enhanced experience for multi channel movies/music on a standard sound format DPII,DTS,etc
     
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    Hey Guys,

    What attracts me most of Ultra 2 is that is not limited to 1 manufacturer like Logic 7. Outside of Lexicon's Logic 7, Lexicon units can be beat by other competitors in other facets of Home Theater/Audio and having companies like Bryston, Aragon, and Tag McLaren offering Ultra 2 (either now or in the near future)in a "affordable/sub$5K" price range is very attractive to me. Now if budget wasn't the issue a MC-12B would be my 1st choice.

    I have only heard Ultra 2 once and the dealer was not using the recommended direct fire rear speakers (they had dipoles running) so I would say I walked away not impressed but again it was an improper setup for a demo.

    Mike
     
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    Mike,
    Excellent point, and let me tell you the MC12b and the LX7 are amazing. I have them and love them!!![​IMG]
     
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    It seems every year,"someone or something comes out to try and best L7"[​IMG]
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  10. Cliffk

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    Hi guys,
    From THX's website:
     
  11. Aaron E. Smith

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    For those that asked why I would give up the Lexicon, the answer is simple. I want DVD-Audio and SACD. That rules out the DC-1, DC-2, and MC-2, unless I'm willing to wire on the external Sony box, and I don't care to do that. Thus, if I want Logic 7, I have to lay down thousands of extra dollars for the MC-12. Now I know it is a great unit, but I think the folks at Lex are taking it in the arm if they think I'm going to spend that kind of money if I have even a somewhat inferior alternative. That's why I'm trying to figure out about Ultra 2. If it really can compete with Logic 7, then my Lexicon days are over for the time being.
     
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    Aaron,

    That goes without saying, if THX Ultra2 (or any other new surround mode) can compete with Logic7, then why would any of us get a lexicon? We still don't know exactly what Ultra2 is doing; and Ultra2 seems to only apply to 5.1 sources. Logic7 also works on 2.0 sources.
     
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    So, would Ultra2 work over DVD-A or SACD? That might be interesting.

    Whatever I get I'll miss Logic7. It's great but I'm not willing to choose a processor just because it has it.
     
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    I dunno about Logic 7 - never owned a processor capable of this - but I think that Ultra 2 really makes the back rear surrounds worth it. I love the effect on regular old 5.1 channel movies - it really goes enhance the soundfield and make the rear channel much more seemless. I finally feel that I have a 'soundfield' in the rear, rather than just some rather localizable surround effects. My room's rather wide - the Ultra 2 processing really makes the rear channel come to life, IMO.
     
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    Can you actually state that Ultra 2 is really a sound format? I don't think so since it rests on top of the actual decoding - whether it be Dolby Digital or DTS. I find the THX marketing blurbs to be very misleading - it would appear they just apply some post-processing to modify the implementation of the original sound format. This was the case back with Ultra as well.
     
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    I am sure that in the near future you will see a replacement for the MC1 that allows for DVD Audio and SACD.
    The MC12 allows you to process the incomming 5.1 anolog signal with Logic 7 or THX EX.
    So dont be suprised if on the next update as well as the next Pre/Pro from lex that you will be able to do both.
    Can you say cake and eat it too![​IMG]
     
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    Hi

    I am too in a big crossroads on whether to go for a used MC1 or a new Tag processor with THX Ultra 2 processing. I have heard Logic 7 many times and like the way it steer the effects to the rear channels. My preference is to always engage L7 on 5.1 materials. The thing with MC1 is its an old model and it may go obselete in 3 years time. The quality of Lexicon is no doubt the best for HT processors. The pricing of the Tag will be the deciding factor now coz I may not be able to hear the difference between L7 and Ultra 2 Cinema. If I can save huge I will choose Lexicon MC1.

    My 2cents

    Regards
     
  18. RichardMA

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    Unless THX Ultra 2 can somehow (and I know it can't)

    properly decode where specific sounds should be, it's

    the same (more or less) as the theatrical method of

    simply adding more speakers on either side of the surround

    field. ONLY DTS ES Discrete adds a true, centre surround

    channel. It's no wonder THX still insists on using dipoles

    in home theatre, they want to maintain that diffuseness

    that essentially saturates the rear field with non-directional sound. It's great for speaker sellers, they

    get to make you buy 7 speakers instead of 5, but it's nothing more than another variation on ancient Pro-Logic

    applied to the left-right rear surrounds. I remember reading an article by an audiophile about why people like

    listening to their 4, 6, 8 whatever multiple speakers in

    their cars, despite there being only two channels; Because

    they like the cozy feeling they get from being surrounded by the sound.

    But it's not directional, it's not realistic, just "comfortable."

    THX is not a sound format. It's a manipulation of pre-existing true, discrete 5 channel Dolby or DTS sound formats, just like Yamaha and Sony, and everyone else has

    offered for years with their various DSP modes.

    If people really want more channels, they have to wait for

    more DTS ES Discrete software to come out, or wait for

    Sony to start making 8 channel SDDS home software and equipment.
     
  19. Mike Burke

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    I agree with RickyT!

    Since we don't know what Ultra2 is going to be like from the "big boys". I would recommend holding off until products like the Bryston SP-1.7 and Aragon Stage One are available for review. I am not knocking the Pioneer recievers that have it BUT the "toys" we are discssing here are of higher quality and it's unfair to compare.
     
  20. Richard Burzynski

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    Camp:

    The popular Pioneer 49 receiver allows for a 7 channel "mode" of SACD/DVDA. It does this by performing an A>D, D>A conversion. Is this mode THXU2 specific? I'm not sure, maybe Obi will see theis thread and reply as he owns a 49.

    Rich B.
     

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