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Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Rick Wilson, Jan 3, 2003.

  1. Rick Wilson

    Rick Wilson Stunt Coordinator

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    I wanted to (but didn't) watch the Bond movies on TNN over the holidays. They had their logo and a banner at the bottom of the screen during the movie (at least at the times I checked). A lot of other stations broadcast over DirecTV also have non-translucent static logos.

    Does anyone have a listing of who to contact (email address) at any of these stations? Maybe if we had a list, we could undergo a massive email campaign in protest. Surely, they do not understand the damage they are causing!!

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  2. ManW_TheUncool

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    One more reason to stick w/ DVD for movies. [​IMG]
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  3. Rick Wilson

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    I was actually only using the Bond movies as an example. It would not have mattered whether it was a movie or any other program. In this case though it was a Bond marathon and I would have enjoyed a few of them but I didn't want to have that logo and banner on the screen through several movies. A lot of the channels use blazing logos. Since all logos are in the same area of the screen, it doesn't matter which channel you watch, you'll still get burn-in quicker.
     
  4. Jan Strnad

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    Exactly why I watch less broadcast TV now and more DVDs.

    One would think that a network would try to compete in the area of "quality of presentation," but few seem interested. Instead, they put a bunch of garbage on the screen, which is distracting and destructive, and wonder why viewership keeps going down.

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  5. Jack Briggs

    Jack Briggs Executive Producer

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    A long-standing major issue with me, this station-bug infestation.

    Rick, though your intentions are laudible and honorable, I doubt anything you do will have any effect. The networks do not care; the logos are here for good, and such egregious offenders as TNN and The History Channel and The Discovery Channel are going to push this as far as they can. TNN's "message bar" is the network's attempt at continuous promotion.

    Another phenomenon on TNN is that the message bar does not mask the lower portion of the screen. Instead, the entire picture area is compressed vertically, thus distorting the images beyond watchability.

    Far better to boycott TNN and purchase MGM's Bond DVDs instead.

    Oh, how I wish I could be encouraging. But the Pandora's Box of unlimited commercialism has been opened, and the networks aren't going back to the pre-logo days—while, as Jan notes, they remain clueless about ever-declining viewership.
     
  6. ManW_TheUncool

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    Hmmm... All this makes me wonder if I should bother getting cable/sat afterall. But then, I wouldn't really be getting them for the RPTV, except the HD content. Burn-in doesn't seem like a problem for the old 32" CRT. Still...

    _Man_
     
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    I realize the logo's aren't going to go away, and that's fine, I actually like knowing what channel I'm on when I go to a friends house with cable and no onscreen guide. But it'd be best if they all follow A&E's footsteps and make a transparent logo. No risk of burn in there AND its not as unpleasing to look at AND it still conveys the information it should, that is to say the channel identification.
     
  9. Jack Briggs

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    Peter, I think we'd all prefer a world with no station-bug logos. It takes no great effort to ascertain what channel one is watching.
     
  10. DerekF

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    Hmmm Just a thought, but I wonder what the offending stations would do if you sent them one of those "you'll pay if you spam me" type of messages, except modified to be "pay if you cause burn in"? Do you remember the disclaimers at the bottom of emails that used to say "all unsolicited email delivered to this email address will be subject to a $45/hour proofreading charge etc. etc."

    Maybe modify that to be a letter warning the station, with a photocopy of the TV owner's manual warning about static images. It could be sent via registered mail, with CCs to the station's attourneys, warning them that they will have to reimburse you for damages caused by their static logo...As soon as lawyers see the possibility of liability (however small) they tend to sit up and pay attention!!

    Grasping at straws, I know, but it's just a thought!
     
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  12. Jack Briggs

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    I've actually thought of writing my congressional representative as well as Senators Feinstein and Boxer about this. Though it's not popular to say so, I've long thought the only workable solution to this problem is political in nature. The stations are putting their advertisers and themselves before the viewers. They just don't care.

    In a long-ago thread here at HTF, I remember someone telling how he had met some TNN execs at a trade show. The HTF member mentioned that he doesn't watch TNN because of the message bar, whereupon the execs laughed, acknowledging they know people hate the message bar but that the network was not going to get rid of it.
     
  13. ManW_TheUncool

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    Sounds like they will never change unless the image burn-in becomes a real problem for direct-views so that the average consumer complains.

    Hmmm... I wonder though w/ the # of RPTV owners between the various forum sites whether a petition would help. Maybe even a petition directed toward politicians as mentioned.

    _Man_
     
  14. DavidVTHokie

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    You know - and it's not like we're asking them not to advertise themselves. What if TNN did a 10-second thing every commercial break, something like the THX sound demo & THX logo before a THX movie.

    That THX thing is usually what people "crank up" their systems to hear and...ahem...stretch the legs of their subwoofer a bit. If TNN did something tasteful-short-memorable like that it would be a HUGE win, and way more memorable than a postage stamp logo in the corner.

    Hell, if it were cool enough, people would tune-in just to see it.

    Just my $.02
     
  15. Jerry Dreiss

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    The only group with the power to change anything, IMHO, is the set manufacturers. I'm sure they have a trade group that could sit down with the broadcasters to set some guidelines.
    But in the end the Obnoxicons are here to stay. On the other hand we don't have too.
     
  16. Jan Strnad

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    Jack,

    I think that now is the time to petition the FCC to set guidelines for networks bugs.

    Obviously the networks don't care, so we have to put the weight of the government on them.

    This is one case where the free enterprise system clearly doesn't work. There is a matter of public interest involved, not just "network interest," and just as the government is needed to reign in greedy CEOs, to set accounting standards, to determine minimum wages and child labor restrictions, etc., it's entirely appropriate for the government to say to networks: "You can't go burning your logos onto people's TV sets!"

    How do we get started?

    Jan
     

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