State of Kansas misses a beat thanks to attorney general

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  1. Will_B

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    Devo?

    Maybe hier Kline didn't like "Whip it"? (Though given the types of artists he banned from distribution, you'd think that would be one of his faves).

    In related news, Kline is now moonlighting as "DJ Goebbels" with a new slew of the funkiest funk this side of the RIAA settlement.
     
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    Who's on the approved list? Montavani? Lawrence Welk? Pat Boone?[​IMG] "...what time is it..."?
     
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    I just love it when they pull this stuff on a Friday. By Monday it will probably be forgotten. Gee, I hope not!

    Glenn
     
  4. Henry Gale

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    Glad to see this topic, even though I thought it might be too controversial for HTF.
    I was saddened that the librarians just rolled over for this.
    Whether it's books, magazines, CDs or paintings.....censorship is censorship.
     
  5. Kirk Gunn

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    How is this censorhip ? Just because an item is printed/recorded does not mean tax-dollar-sponsored libraries have an obligation to provide it.

    Censorhip is when the right to PRIVATELY own such material is under threat by government mandates. If this was "Joe's Record Shop" under attack by the Kansas Attorney General, you would be correct. But since we let the government establish libraries, by default they make the rules for their content (even if it seems boneheaded).
     
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    My local library doesn't have porn available, is that censorship?
     
  7. Lee Scoggins

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    I agree. This is not a case of textbook censorship. The courts have ruled that communities have the ability to set standards in this area. Rap music has in the past contributed to violence so I think the AG is within their rights.

    I'm suprised by the Devo though. They put on a hell of a concert by the way. [​IMG]
     
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    My local library system bans every R-Rated DVD and every album with a parental advisory sticker. I only wish they were as open-minded as this hick Attourney General in Kansas, and that's pretty damn sad.

    Of course, there are books on the shelves that depict explicit sex and violence. Go figure. There are also fully nude gentleman's clubs, head shops, and porn shops in the county, so the community standards argument is completly null and void.



    So let it go to court, and let the peers of each community on the jury decide. For the attourney general to make a preemptive move like this is certainly censorship. This is how you decide community standards without censorship.
     
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    Uh no. The Attorney General is an elected official so he can set the standards.
     
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    Did I say his move was illegal?

    And we'll see about that, regardless. An entire state is not a community, it is multiple communities, and what the attorney general is doing here is depriving communities the ability to set their own standards. A higher court could easily strike down such a move if a case is made that Kansas is more diverse across its' geography.

    This story may be over, but it may not be...
     
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    And I did not indicate that. Getting back to the subject, a bunch of CDs were awarded to the public libraries. Then some well meaning, but dictatorial, AG went through the stack to decide what was good for us. Taxpayer dollars were not even involved.
    How does this differ from the same person, or anyone, going through the books and burning the ones that "aren't wholesome"??
    I'll understand if you don't get this, millions don't.
     
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    Your library's have CD's !?! [​IMG]
     
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    At least now the librarians from the rest of the country know where to send their Lawrence Welk CDs.

    Seriously, I always find it odd that people who find it completely unacceptable to omit books based on the content sometimes feel that music is somehow ok to omit. Personally, I see books, music, video, as simply mediums of ideas. And libraries aren't supposed to omit ideas, even ideas that are against the law. Ideas are supposed to remain free. Only one's actions are held accountable.


    And Elvis' hips make teens horny. Urban legends, how we love them. Theories intended to absolve people of personal responsibility....
     
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    What is going to happen in a few years when libraries are simply nodes connected to the main Earth library?
     
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    And can I just mention again:

    Devo??????!
     
  17. Kirk Gunn

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    If Larry Flynt donated a backlog of Hustler items for free, would the library be tasked with maintaining their availability to the public (which does cost tax $$$) ?

    You don't understand that Government's run libraries so they make the rules on content. If you don't like it, abolish state-sponsored libraries in favor of a free-market system.

    The AG is in no way hindering your access to these items via your own resources.
     
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    This is a slippery-slope topic. Take my comment as an advisory. The moment the conversation addresses the political situation in Kansas directly is the moment we will have to shut down the thread. So try to keep the discussion focused on what does and does not constitute censorship.

    Now, where to locate all that old PMRC information that's been stowed away in my house?
     
  19. Henry Gale

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    Kirk,
    Maybe it's because it's Sunday, maybe it's your razer sharp logic, maybe I'm just a day older and a little smarter...but, that Larry Flynt analogy has won the day!
    If I didn't already live in Kansas, I'd move there(here?...whatever)quickly.

    Thanks for patiently explaining the truth to me.

    My niece Dorothy is going to be upset when she gets back from camp, I just threw out her hippety hoppity CDs.
     
  20. Jim Rakowiecki

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    I'm somewhat disturbed by this but lets face it libraries censor or omit things everyday. Librarians, administrators etc... make choices about what will be included in the collection all the time is that censorship? I don't think so, I think it's just the nature of the beast. They need to make chioices based upon space and budget concerns and they probably give some thought to content and what would be appropriate for the the library to circulate.
    The Attorney General wasn't trying to pull the records off store shelves, he didn't send the police out to collect copies of this stuff. He just didn't feel it was appropriate for the collections of public libraries.
    Ultimately it should be up to parents to censor what their children see and hear but I don't think parent's should need to worry that thier kids will pick up something offensive at the library.
    Are there any librarians out there who could shed some light on how collections are built and how you decide what will be included?
     

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