Starwars + B4+ = OMG

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  1. Simon Brown

    Simon Brown Stunt Coordinator

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    Well I just finished watching all 3 movies Starwars Original Trilogy and I have to make special mention of the bass in these movies. Incredible is one word that describes the bass thats present in some scenes which will really test your subs capabilities. In ANH there is one scene that will surprise you and thats when the Falcon comes out of hyperspace entering the Alderran system and theres the sound of the engines powering down with the bass frequency dropping very low indeed. Theres just too many scenes to mention in the other 2 movies but if you know the movies you will know where there is going to be some very powerful bass activity. The Falcon fly byes are just incredible and will be used to show off subswoofers in future home sub demos. At times the bass is just too powerful but hey we all love shaking the home don't we [​IMG] . It will be interesting to see some water charts for these movies as well as peak bass measurments. My B4+ just laughed and said I want more. Gee I'm glad I bought that sub no regrets.[​IMG]
     
  2. Antonio_B

    Antonio_B Stunt Coordinator

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    hehe nice to hear

    btw,what equipements do you have?
     
  3. Simon Brown

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    Equipment is as follows:
    Speakers: M&K S5000 THX System (discontinued line now)
    Marantz DV12 DVD player (9500 for the States out in Dec04)
    Rotel 1098 Pre-amp
    Krell TAS 5 channel amp
    SVS B4+ Subwoofer (Quest 2100watts Bridged amp)
     
  4. steve nn

    steve nn Cinematographer

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    I have been contemplating buying the SW Trilogy or not. I have been concerned about the bass and the mix. From your description Simon, it seems as though it would be a worthwhile addition then.

    >>My B4+ just laughed and said I want more. Gee I'm glad I bought that sub no regrets.[​IMG]
     
  5. KeithY

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    steve nn, wait till you feel the trilogy with your forthcoming pb2ultra, it was ground shaking at -5 of reference.

    Can't even imagine what it would be like with the b4+.
     
  6. frank manrique

    frank manrique Supporting Actor

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    Well, my mouth is watering...so it looks like I have to reconnect my B4-Plus "Black Beauty" twins when the damned SW trilogy finally makes it here (my pre-order is late in been delivered [​IMG] )!... [​IMG]

    -THTS

    "...hi, my name is Frank...and am an SVS bassaholic..."
     
  7. Brad_See

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    It's sounding more and more like the Star Wars DVDs are overly bass heavy. I also think that the Lord of the Rings trilogy DVDs suffer from that in addition to other sound mix issues. I like bass as much as the next guy but when my sub is practically bottoming out from, say, someone sneezing or something then they've gone too far.

    I haven't watched them yet but that's just the idea that I'm getting. There are times and places for good LFE - depth charges, cannonades, helicopters, explosions, Sauron exploding and the ensuing shockwave...but R2D2 falling over?! Does that really need to have added LFE?!

    brad cook
     
  8. steve nn

    steve nn Cinematographer

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    There are times and places for good LFE - depth charges, cannonades, helicopters, explosions, Sauron exploding and the ensuing shockwave...but R2D2 falling over?! Does that really need to have added LFE?!
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    [​IMG] [​IMG] Sure it does! Seriously though> Did they go over the top on this one?

    >>steve nn, wait till you feel the trilogy with your forthcoming pb2ultra, it was ground shaking at -5 of reference.
     
  9. AlanZ

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    Man, I HATE being in the middle of an upgrade period....especially when I'm a month or two away from rebuilding my HT.....I just got the trilogy, but I'm waiting until I order a new SVS (just sold my PB2-ISD....looking at the 'Darth Vader' or the PB2-Ultra).....I tell you what, say what you want about Lucas screwing with his movies, but the picture quality is also stunning. I was shocked at how good Ep.IV looked.....the damn thing is 27 years old for gosh sakes!

    My system is stripped down to just a mere pair of Studio 20 v.2s until November or so......DAMMIT lol
     
  10. Antonio_B

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    alan what are you planning to buy?
     
  11. AlanZ

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    Antonio:
    I just moved my PB2-ISD and my Studio/100 v2s, and planning on going with Paradigm Signature S2s and PROBABLY the PB2-Ultra.....though I may also consider the B4 if I get my property rented out soon. I've already auditioned the Paradigms, so I'm pretty set on those....and I've owned three SVS subs, so I know what to expect from them (i.e. I can expect more than what I already expect). I didn't think Lucas was going to revamp the sound as much as he did in this trilogy, though.....I literally just sold my 100s today, so during this past week I checked out a couple of scenes.....the audio really sounds nice [​IMG] But I'm pretty stripped down for the time being, unfortunately.
     
  12. Antonio_B

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    dude i can't believe you're selling your 100s [​IMG]

    Do you think there will be a big difference in sound quality with the new Paradigm Signature S2s over your 100s?
     
  13. AlanZ

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    They were/are great speakers, no doubt. The main reason for selling them was becase my listening area now is smaller, and they just don't have enough room to breathe. I want to go back to a smaller speaker up front while upgrading the sound quality at the same time. So I think the S2 will accomplish that [​IMG] As for the difference in sound quality, yeah, there is an appreciable difference in sound quality between the studios and the signatures. I've been starting to get into music more than usual (something about being divorced, I suppose lol), so I want to take the sound to the next level.

    What kind of HT set up do you have, Antonio?
     
  14. Simon Brown

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    You quite right there Brad. At times the bass used was not required especially in that scene. My bother had 3 mates over who watched the first movie and after that scene one of his mates said "Artoo doesn't weigh that much". IMO ANH had far too much bass in it but with the others it was justified. I think Lucas has been reading this forum and gone bass they don't no what bass is [​IMG] . It will be great to hear from everyone and see what you all think of this trilogy in regards to the bass. Theres going to be alot of annoyed neighbours out there.
     
  15. Lewis Besze

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    Yes I agree that the bass better then most other aspect of these DVDs.I guess it is the easier to "fix" then the incosistent dialog or metalic sounding orchrestral parts.Those of us who owned the SE LDs though this new DVD's are much more like "deja Vu" then much new.
    I must say though that the bass level was hardly challenging to my subs[I can see it would to some],but the current trilogy or the LOTR movies are much more potents for sure,so if one's sub exelled on those,this will be a cake walk.
     
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    Right on Lewis! I concur with you 100%(for once :p) [​IMG]
     
  17. Joe.K

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    If your referring to the amount of bass, yes, I guess it's worth it. But, like all the other Star Wars films, I thought it was WAY oversampled. In some scenes, it sounds downright out of place.

    But, it sounds pretty incredible with a nice sub, I just didn't find it to fit the movie very well.
     
  18. frank manrique

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    ...I thought it was WAY oversampled. In some scenes, it sounds downright out of place.

    But, it sounds pretty incredible with a nice sub, I just didn't find it to fit the movie very well.
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    I fully concur...that low bass seems to be out of place at times...because it doesn't integrate in the proper proportion to the rest of the soundtracks...but still is a lot of fun!... [​IMG]

    -THTS

    "...hi, my name is Frank...and am an SVS bassaholic..."
     
  19. JohnSmith

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    The THX bubble almost destroyed my brothers mid-priced seperates system. It didn't sound very good-distortion, sub nasties etc.

    Wheras it sounds great on my fairly high-end setup, and no problems with distortion or subwoofer parping away.

    How do budget systems cope with such aggressive bass?
     
  20. Mark Seaton

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    I fess up, it's my fault. After the pod race scene blew up Mr. Lucas's original subs (old JBL cinema subs) they couldn't find much to fill his large room at home. The installer for the job did another smaller project with me, and we proceeded to find room for FOUR of our ContraBass subwoofers in his large room with a pair of Crown K2s. Sorry, it will take a lot of recorded LFE and cranked levels for any scene to give a hint of "too much bass" for Mr. Lucas's home system. [​IMG]

    Hmmm... The sensations of deep bass can be quite pleasing and almost addictive. Maybe he has been directing the engineers to crank it up even more!!! [​IMG]

    Cheers,
     

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