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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Discussion Thread (SPOILERS!)

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  1. Edwin-S

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    After watching "Clone Wars" and "Rebels", why that team wasn't given a chance at the last trilogy is beyond me. Maybe they would have managed to make something decent and well written, not the trilogy of upchuck that resulted.
     
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    A breakdown of Colin Trevorrow's Episode IX script: Duel of the Fates.

     
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    Also saw this is available:



    Could someone please summarize the major points for us in here?
     
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    AshJW

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    • Trevorrow's draft is from 12.16.16 (a week before Carrie's death)
    • Title is DUEL OF THE FATES
    CRAWL:

    The iron grip of the FIRST ORDER has spread to the farthest reaches of the galaxy. Only a few scattered planets remain unoccupied. Traitorous acts are punishable by death.

    Determined to suffocate a growing unrest, Supreme Leader KYLO REN has silenced all communication between neighboring systems.

    Led by GENERAL LEIA ORGANA, the Resistance has planned a secret mission to prevent their annihilation and forge a path to freedom...


    • Opens at the Kuat Shipyards (man on a mission-style)
    • BB-8 and Rose Tico (allegedly a key character in script) are infiltrating Kuat Moon where First Order build their ships (workers are oppressed). There is an orbital ring and moon below it. Finn and Poe are there. No R2/3PO. Rey arrives.
    • The plan: Send explosive into the power shaft that delivers raw ore into the ring.
    • Plan goes wrong. (RBM loves dialogue at this moment.) First Order is able to contain blast. Admiral Vaughn says Resistance tactics are "pitful."
    • Rey disguised as a Tusken Raider is revealed to have created her own weapon (a double-blade lightsaber hybrid of her staff and Luke's cracked saber).
    • They battle and Poe, Finn, Rose, Rey, and BB-8 STEAL A STAR DESTROYER (Eclipse-class) and escape.
    • The Knife 9 a ship containing the Knights of Ren arrives a Kuat. Ataska (?) Ren kills Admiral Vaughn for his failure.
    • CUT TO: CORUSCANT. No longer a vibrant city. "The new structures are built atop the art deco structure of the old republic." Occupied by the First Order now (they have a citadel/palace there). Citizens are scavengers now. Hux is now CHANCELLOR HUX and is addressing Bisc Kova (traitor who helped Resist. steal Star Destroyer.) Kova is executed with a light blade guillotine.
    • Hux and Commander Selleck have a meeting with several alien war lords (ode to ANH imperial council scene). First Order has allies. They are aware of Rey being the last Jedi. Council wants to know WHERE IS KYLO REN? He is missing. Hux only knows he has gone searching for something of great power.
    • CUT TO: MUSTAFAR. Kylo Ren is alone, except for a Darth Maul-esque droid. He has stubble indicating search has been for a long time. Ren is being HAUNTED by Luke's force ghost.
    • Luke: "This is where the dark path leads; an empty tomb." Kylo (retort): "Where did your path lead?"
    • Luke is trying to convince him to go back to Leia. Kylo: "I'm going to be more powerful than any Jedi...even you."
    • In Vader's Temple, Kylo finds a Sith Holocron which reveals a hologram of Palpatine. Recording is for Vader. Palpatine has a contingency for Vader if Luke kills him. Vader is to take Luke to the Remnicore (?) System to see TOR VALUM, Master of Sith/Palpatine's Teacher.
    • After scanning Kylo, the Holocron explodes and releases red lighting which burns Kylo, who screams.
    • CUT TO: RESISTANCE BASE on KOR-ALAF (?). Leia is introduced as she feels what's happening to Ben. Chewbacca and Lt. Connix tell Leia that the Kuat team is back. They're shocked to see a Star Destroyer (which is landed onto the planet). Funny moment w/ Rey using Mind Trick on First Order officers who were still on the ship.
    • Rey confides in Finn that she doesn't feel like she has what it takes to be a Jedi and can't live up to everyone's expectations. Finn asks her if she still senses Kylo. Rey confesses she's been having nightmares. Finn asks if it's Kylo. Rey says she can't explain their connection.
    • Finn: "You have to shut him out. He can't change. It's too late." Rey: "It's never to late to change. You taught me that Finn."
    • Resistance realizes that the Star Destroyer stills has most of it's weapons (tanks, TIEs, etc). Only missing piece is an army to use it.
    • Rey researching the Jedi texts from Anch-To discovers that under Coruscant Jedi Temple there is a communication system (called a FORCE BEACON) from the Old Republic that can send a signal to 50 planets. They plan on using it to get allies. First Order can't stop it, since it predates Imperial tech. Rey: "Hope is all we have left."
    • Force Ghost Luke appears as Rey trains. Luke is pushing Rey to get stronger in the Force, while he is pushing Kylo to let Ben out.
    • Kylo makes it back to Coruscant. Face is damaged. Mandalorian armor is smelted and is been applied to his face. Confronts Hux and belittles him, saying he doesn't need titles.
    • Rey to Luke as they train: "Balance? The dark suffocates the light, light extinguishes the dark. Over and over and over again. How is that balance in the force?"
    • Luke: "I know that anger. My father had it too.'
    • Rey: "So says my master and his master before him. A thousand masters so eager to tell us how to live."
    • Rest of exchange between Rey and Luke is basically Rey trying to back away from being a Jedi (she admits she is NO ONE) and Luke trying to convince her (he says the Force is speaking to her).
    • Back to Kylo. He and Hux continue to snipe at each other. Kylo says he's leaving again, but not before telling Hux the power he discovered will make destroying planets insignificant. Kylo's last order to Hux: "Find the Resistance, wipe them out, leave the girl to me."
    • TEAM A (Rose, Finn, R2, 3PO): Going to Coruscant to light the beacon.
    • TEAM B (Rey, Poe, Chewbacca): Going to a planet to find someone to help Rey figure out what she needs to do. (side: Yes, his descrp. is that vague)
    • Kylo is going to a Sith Planet/Remnicore. EDIT: Before he leaves Coruscant, he takes Vader's mask and says he understands Vader now. Kylo: "You allowed love to cloud your judgement" and he throws Vader's mask off of a balcony and it shatters.
    • Leia stays at the base overseeing the Resistance.
    • Before Rey leaves, she and Leia have an exchange were Rey says she believes there's still good in Kylo. Leia is skeptical, but Rey believes in her Jedi Training. Leia: "You're not like my father or my brother. You're new. Whatever happens, remember the force choose you Rey. You're story isn't written by anyone else."


    • First Order tracks down stolen Star Destroyer to Kor-Alaf. Resistance escapes.
    • TEAM A successfully infiltrates the Jedi Temple and turn on the beacon. Cut to different places around the galaxy receiving the signal (Bossk cameo). It is then cut off by the First Order. TEAM A then flee into the underbelly of Coruscant.
    • TEAM B are being pursued by the Knife 9 (Knights of Ren ship) and eventually reach the planet Bonadan.
    • Kylo reaches Remincore and confronts Tor Valum (7000 yrs old, alien of unknown origin, spindly, intense sinewy muscle -- very Lovecraftian). Kylo begins training with Valum. Ode to ESB Cave scene: Kylo fights Vader. Fight is brutal and Kylo loses.
    • Bonadan: Poe takes Rey to a Seer who can pull information out of memories. The Seer pulls a star chart out of Rey's mind from her visions w/ Kylo. Knights of Ren show up and fight Rey in a lightsaber battle. She defeats them and TEAM B escapes.
    • Both Rey and Kylo eventually get to MORTIS.
    • Leia asks Lando if he will organize the smugglers and fight the First Order.
    • Rose is captured and tortured by the First Order, but is able to escape.
    • Finn/R2/3PO start a citizens uprising on Coruscant around the First Order's Citadel/Palace.
    • Leia brings her forces to Coruscant to battle the FO. Massive space battle, ground battle (ROTJ-style you know the works lol). Chewie flies an X-Wing.
    • Rey and Kylo battle on Mortis, using force energy that can pull from each other. At some point is revealed Kylo killed Rey's parents at the behest of Snoke. Towards the end, Luke/Obi Wan/Yoda appear as Force Ghosts to save Ben, but are unsuccessful. Ben is "extinguished."
    • RMB seems to be at the end, so just for house keeping sake - Resistance won, First Order loses.
    • One final deet: Han Solo did appear in the script and does confront Kylo at some point.
     
  5. TravisR

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    Regarding the Trevorrow and Connolly script, the EU/Legends and canon references make this sound more like fanfiction than it may have actually played but there's some things that I like in this (I love that the story of Luke "on" Crait in The Last Jedi has infuriated the First Order and BB-8 stealing a Star Destroyer is very amusing) but I hate the ending with Kylo Ren.

    All that being said, I'm sure there's people that will forever say that this would have been so much better than the actual movie. You know because watching a couple hour summary video on You Tube can really determine which would have been better or worse.
     
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    If that’s actually real, I don’t love it. Don’t hate it, but don’t love it. The idea of there being a secret Sith above Palpatine kinda flies in the face of everything that’s come before and would have felt even more left field for me that bringing Palpatine himself back.

    For me, the most unsatisfying element of both this alleged draft and the actual produced film is that the final battle is more of the same (rebels against ships with planet killing weapons) and that they’re bailed out by ordinary people swooping in to save the day. I think in theory it’s a nice idea but the story doesn’t lay the groundwork to earn that beat.

    Kylo doesn’t seem old enough to have killed Rey’s parents at the age they disappeared from her life.
     
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    I didn't like that but I didn't even think how it doesn't work chronologically either. Rey has been orphaned for at least a decade (and probably more) and Ben fell to the Dark Side only a few years before The Force Awakens so it doesn't make sense.
     
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    Spoiler for Trevorrow's script? :D;)
     
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    Geez, I hope the hell not.
     
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    Okay, so that's a draft. How many re-writes would have occurred, and how may script-fixers would have had a hand in it had they stuck with Trevorrow's idea - regardless of whether he was kept as director or not?

    Some of those do sound like cool ideas, others... not so much. I doubt that half of that would have stayed in had it been further developed.
     
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    :lol:

    Yeah . I did it so everyone who don’t want to read it, one can easily skip it.



    Edit:
    I changed the title of the spoiler. ;)
     
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    This is really, really interesting. Trevorrow is not a writer I have a ton of faith in after his last insanely terrible 'Jurassic' script, but I'll give him this...it looks like he was legitimately building off the threads of the previous movie rather than trying to walk them all back as Abrams (and/or Disney) so hamfistedly did. If it's the real deal, I do question the date of the draft, as Leia already seems to have a diminished role. And it does certainly still feel overstuffed and contains some similar retconning and fan-service to the finished film. But - and I wonder if this is where Trevorrow and the studio finally parted ways - the summary reads like the intent was to lean into the existing extended-universe lore, and in particular it would've tied strongly into prequel-era imagery and locales to wrap the saga up (right down to the title!). Disney have gone out of their way to avoid referencing ANY of that, strictly cashing in on original-trilogy nostalgia...hence they even threw out Lucas' own ideas. Abrams has always seemed fine with that MO, hence he was called upon to deliver a completely safe, predictable movie that was then edited to induce ADD in the hopes you wouldn't notice the crappy, lazy script. Worse case scenario, Trevorrow's might have been a way more intriguing mess?
     
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    I think after the insane overreaction that some fans had to The Last Jedi, Disney unfortunately listened to them and wanted Trevorrow to make a movie that basically 'forgot' the previous movie (as you said, the synopsis is a sequel to TLJ) and then when he didn't want to, they hired Abrams to give them a movie that would try to please a group of people that are impossible to please. Not that anyone had a gun to his head to do it and he got more money than I can dream of but I feel bad for Abrams having to make a movie that had some major restrictions placed on it from the beginning for him.
     
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    We saw this movie originally in IMAX 3D. We didn’t even notice that Peter Cushing was CGI. Being immersed in the story we just accepted him. I had an A Ha moment later when I read about it.
     
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    Didn’t Trevorrow leave before TLJ started? I’m not quite sure at the moment.
     
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    I believe he left not long after Carrie Fisher died, which would have been during the post production of TLJ.
     
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    Good call. Looking it up, it was announced that Trevorrow left in September 2017 (so, like Tommy said, during post-production on TLJ). However, Abrams had a draft of the script in February 2018 so only two months after TLJ & all of its hubbub, I still think Disney wanted to ignore elements of the previous movie to appease the fans that didn't like it. If it wasn't Disney, LFL and Kennedy wouldn't have gone with what Rian Johnson did in TLJ and they wouldn't have hired Abrams if he had wanted to go in a different direction than Johnson had.
     
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    Was there a "kelvin" reference in Rise Of Skywalker?
     
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    Hmm. I don’t think so.
     
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    And I don't remember the other frequent Abrams references to the number 47 or the Beastie Boys. I guess he figured since he got them all in TFA, he was good. :)
     

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