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Pre-Order Star Wars: A New Hope (4k UHD) Available for Preorder

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by Ronald Epstein, Feb 24, 2020.

  1. JoshZ

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    I take it you haven't seen the 4k versions streaming on Disney+? They're sourced from the same problematic 1080p masters used on the old Blu-rays, just upscaled to 4k and given an HDR grade that's net effect is only to make the image much dimmer. (They aren't really HDR, because no highlights extend beyond the SDR range.) They still look over-processesd with grain removal and edge enhancement artifacts.

    The UHD Blu-rays are guaranteed to be the same transfers Disney+ uses.
     
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    Because the ship that is the legal route hasn't so much as sailed but sunk to the bottom of the Arctic Circle.
     
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    Be that as it may, a private company choosing not to release a version of something they own does not give individuals the right to steal it.
     
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    Are we actually doing screenshot comparisons in this thread? ;)
     
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    Dave Moritz

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    The SE of the original trilogy I have seen a little of on Disney + but still want the discs in my library. It is a must have to have in the library so at any time I discontinue Disney + I will still be able to watch the movies off of disc.
     
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    When I was young we watched a lot of old movies because that's what you got on TV. We had no problem with black and white and we loved Casablanca and the Marx Brothers and Jimmy Stewart...
     
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    But I’ll feel less guilty about it.
     
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    Because the site's owner says it's okay?
     
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    I never felt guilt when I bought bootleg CDs or LPs. If that material was available from the artist, I'd buy it from them, but if it's not, no harm done.

    I think the "Star Wars" films are trickier because I think it's possible people who would otherwise buy the 4Ks will pass in favor of the boots.

    Yeah, I know a lot of people say "no unfutzed with OT, no sale", and I believe many of those claims.

    But I also think that for many, they might skip official product and get boots instead because the high-quality boots are out there.

    So it's not like this is a Springsteen live show that Bruce didn't make available for sale. Disney will release high-quality versions of the films - they just won't be exactly the versions of those films that people might want...
     
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    I’ve got the HD-ish Despecialized versions and a Grindhouse version. I was unaware of the 4K update, though I’d heard they’d come into original 35mm prints around 2016.

    I see a moral difference between stealing to avoid spending money and bootlegging as the only way to get a beloved show/movie/song. It’s akin to importing discs not released in your region. You’re violating the publishers desire to not sell to you, but so what?

    As for me: I bought the blu-ray trilogy, and then acquired the real trilogy in HD.


    I don’t want to derail the thread, but I wanted to share the perspective on why people are willing to spend money on discs they don’t actually want and then spend time searching through the internet’s hive of scum and villainy to get a copy of a beloved film remastered as a passion project by amateurs who are adamant it’s not for sale. :)
     
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    If the new physical 4K Star Wars discs are just tinkered with versions of the blu-rays, I wonder if it's worth buying. From reading comments on this forum and The Digital Bits, it's my understanding that physical 4K discs offer a better picture than streaming due to the higher bit rates.That's why I don't mind paying money for physical media, because I want the higher quality. I was excited to buy the collection coming out, but if Disney didn't put the work into remastering the movies that were done on film, I probably won't see much of a difference than the blu rays I bought years ago. If you want people to plunk down cash for these movies in 4K, you're going to have to give them the higher quality they expect from the 4K format.
     
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    I don't know where that guy came up with that claim that the 4k masters are just upscales of the blu-rays. The only instances where that would be somewhat but still not entirely accurate are II, III, and VII. Clones and Sith were shot using HDTV cameras of the era which only output 1080i24p imagery and as such there's no way to get true 4k out of those films anyway. Meanwhile Force Awakens was just finished at 2K like most major effects movies lately.
     
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    the 4k 1-6 versions are new scans. They were done in 2013 when George was working in doing all 6 films with 3D conversion.
     
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    They can't do "new scans" of 2 and 3. There's nothing to scan.
     
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    great point!!!
     
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    And I will still hold on to my LD boxed set!
    A funny story- a millennial co-worker friend who is a comic-con Star Wars etc geek came over to watch a movie and I remembered to pull out that boxed set to show him that I have the “Han shot first” scene which we were somehow discussingand he was totally in awe! Firstly I don’t ever think he had seen a LD- but that packaging and book floored him.
     
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    Um, you used a double negative, resulting in saying the opposite of what you probably meant.
     
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    Ron, THANK YOU for making me aware of this! Jedi is finished, BTW. It required comparatively little work, because the print used is in excellent shape.
     
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    I thought discussing bootlegs and where to get them for any reason was forbidden here.

    From the Forum Rules and Guidelines

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    Seems like there’s a double standard for Star Wars films. Btw, I’m not trying to step on Ron or Dave’s toes here. Just Trying to get clarification.
     

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