Star Trek VI C.E. New cut? (1 Viewer)

[Jaxon's Dad]

In the OT episode "Charlie X" Kirk receives a message from the galley chef voiced by none other than Roddenberry. Just some food for thought. Ooh that was bad...

 

[DaveMK]

The interesting part of this new cut is that it means that Meyer both added to and cut from this new edition. The theatrical version was 110 min. and the video was 113 min,the new version is also 113 min. The advert blurb said Meyer revised 2 scenes, he had to have cut somethings out of the previous video version and added something else for the running time to be just slightly longer. I'm impressed that he felt strongly enough about the film to make such modest changes after 12 years.

 

[Bill Williams]

I'm thinking that if the running time of this new edition is the same as the previous versions, then there's been no significant changes overall. Then again, he could have gone back and done some digital tweaking, a la Luca$, to revise those scenes for the film. We won't know until we see the first reports on the DVD next month.

 

[DaveMK]

You think Paramount ponied up the money to digitally tweak Star Trek 6? Hoo boy. I"m sure the changes have to do with the social or political part of the story-the conspiracy or attitudes of the humans & Klingons not FX. Those are the main cuts that are in the script that I have had since 1991.

 

[Bill Williams]

Well, we'll all find out next month.

 

[Qui-Gon John]

The unmaksed gunman near the end has been redone. It's now ... Jar-Jar Binks!

 

[Tony Whalen]

Gene informed his eager young scriptwriter that there were no cooks aboard starships.

Doug beat me to it. Roddenbery himself voiced a chef in "Charlie X". "Turkeys! Real turkeys!" (Hope the chef wasn't trying to make 'em fly.)

Besides, gawd forbid someone should do something with Trek Roddenbery didn't approve of. (You know, like TNG-era humans being less than perfect...therefore killing pretty much all possibility of dramatic tension between characters.) Yes, the man created something we all love. That doesn't mean he didn't have questionable ideas now and then.

I don't mean to rant ... I just twitch a little when people say "Roddenberry didn't do it/like it", so therefore it shouldn't happen...

Besides, does having a galley in VI REALLY change the story all that much? Hell, it could have been staffed by people assigned solely on the basis that Enterprise was escorting the LEADER of the Klingon Empire to negotiations, and was required to render full diplomatic honors.

Perhaps the rest of the time, it was a big closet. (With phasers in it! )

Seriously, I think we're all making a mountain out of a molehill here.

Personally, my only complaint about VI is I wish to hell they had used Saavik, as planned, rather than creating Valeris. The story would have had MUCH more impact, don't you think?

 

[John Alderson]

Hmm, since the running time is the same as the video, I think the "new" scenes they are referring to are the ones that were ALREADY added back into the video, and therefore it will be the same cut as the previous DVD (except, hopefully, anamorphic and properly framed).

 

[Jason Seaver]

Gads... Paramount really doesn't want me to own this movie, do they?

 

[MarkBourne]

However, in the book The Making of Star Trek, written in collaboration with Roddeberry back while The Original Series was still in production, it's explicitly stated that the Enterprise has galleys so that any crewmember with a desire to do so can whip up a self-cooked meal.

I've always "known" (i.e., it's my story and I'm sticking to it) that in STVI the cooks we see are simply a handful of kitchen dabblers among the hundreds of crewmembers on board. Nowhere does the movie state that the cooks are preparing anything for the crew or anyone else.

As to the wall arsenal next to the pots and pans, that's still a (convenient) mystery, though the galley's silvery metal walls are so scuffed and beaten-up that it's obvious that a lot of heavy-duty action happens in that room.

 

[Wayne Bundrick]

I'd be happy with the existing for-video version, except for the Scooby Doo ending.

 

[DanHaya]

Personally, my only complaint about VI is I wish to hell they had used Saavik, as planned, rather than creating Valeris. The story would have had MUCH more impact, don't you think?

Agreed. They tried to bring back Kirstie Alley but, like Star Trek III, she wanted too much money to return. Big mistake on her part, but what can ya do?

 

[Lyle_JP]

but what can ya do?

Robin Curtis would have undoubtedly asked for less, and she had played Saavik twice since Star Trek II.

-Lyle J.P.

 

[Jeff Jacobson]

Agreed. They tried to bring back Kirstie Alley but, like Star Trek III, she wanted too much money to return. Big mistake on her part, but what can ya do?

I wonder how much she makes for those Pier 1 comercials now?

 

[Paul.Mc]

The IMDB simply states that neither Kirstie Alley, nor Robin Curtis were available, so the character had to be rewritten, nothing juicy about salaries or such.

 

[Eric_R_C]

Robin Curtis was a far more realistic Saavik.

 

[Tony Whalen]

The IMDB simply states that neither Kirstie Alley, nor Robin Curtis were available, so the character had to be rewritten

? Or is that just BS?

Either way, would have been better with Saavik, whether played by Alley OR Curtis.

As for the age-old debate of Saavik actors... I think they were both good. Curtis was certainly more "Vulcan" that Alley, and Alley was more firey (and, IMO, better looking). I know according to Trek-lore Saavik was supposedly half-Romulan, but I know that isn't canon, as it was never mentioned on screen...so either characterization works for me...

Side note: Met Robin Curtis several years ago. Nice person!

 

[Josh Steinberg]

Really? I read somewhere that Gene R. put up a fuss about Saavik...

Supposedly he did, or at least, the memo came from his office that since she was a fan favorite, her character could not become entangled in anything shady.

However, Nick Meyer was quick to point out that Saavik was *his* character, and pretty much said that "how dare Gene try to tell me how I character I created should act as though he created her himself" which seems a fair retort.

 

[Todd K]

I never understood why they felt the need to say Saavik was a full Vulcan. She definitely showed emotion in Star Trek II.

There definitely would've been some punch to the story if she was the traitor. But what would her motivation have been, after all they'd gone through together?

 

[Bill Williams]

It never formally states in the films that Saavik is half-Romulan, so based on what was officially released can we conclude that Saavik is 100% Vulcan. The novels and comics explore her half-Romulan heritage. And there's an outtake from II in which Spock comes right out and states that Saavik is indeed half-Romulan. Since it was filmed but never seen in the original theatrical cut nor on the extended DVD, and since it's never officially mentioned in the Star Trek Encyclopedia or Chronology, we can look at it as semi-canon.

Hey Todd, you wouldn't happen to be the same Todd I know from Buffalo, eh? It's been a while. Give me a holler back and let me know how you are.