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- Feb 7, 2001
I have the blu ray version running this morning...
looks good. Wish it was the directors cut!
looks good. Wish it was the directors cut!
That show with Fuller is one of the reasons I listen to as many podcasts as I do: I always learn something new no matter how well I know the material. The way these guys talk about TMP and the themes and characters...I guess I never stopped to figure all of it out previously. For instance, the idea Spock is a brooding mess at the beginning of the film because he failed Kolinahr and he's essentially embarrassed beyond belief in front of his friends is new for me.Also!!!
new commentary from inglorious treksperts about tmp coming today!!
they also did a new tmp podcast with guest Bryan Fuller too:
I think the great thing about the franchise is the way we can all take a different viewpoint of the material. I'm down with the failure and embarrassment idea because I don't buy V'Ger is so powerful and only one being (ie. Spock) can understand it. Sure, we don't see everyone in the universe, but there has to be some kind of link. What is that link? They're both looking for things they don't have: V'Ger is looking for its creator and Spock is looking for the people and places which were his family.I didn’t have enough time to watch the whole film this weekend and I watched it up to where Kirk takes command of the Enterprise. In watching the Kolinar sequence, I still seee it the way I saw it the first time. Spock is overwhelmed by V’ger’s conscience/intelligence so he breaks off the acceptance of his completion of Kolinar. Could he be embarrassed? I’m not sure. I think Spock is driven to find V’ger.
cool way to watch it. I still prefer the directors cut for watching it. I will put the theatrical Blu Ray in at times too. Interesting that the original audio is not included on the blu ray. Just the 7.1 mix.I just finished my 2 day trek of watching both the dir edition and the theatrical version of the movie.
I watched in iTunes from the 10 film set.
I didn’t quite do what Nelson did earlier in this topic. He watched the director first then the theatrical. I switched from one to the other by watching about 5-7 minutes of one then switching over to the other for 5-10 minutes or so.
It was a fun experiment. Got to see all the differences
basically in real time.
One stand out scene that was not in theatrical was when Kirk calls Scotty over the radio and orders him to action star-navy-order "2005".
After that we witness the bridge crew all clearly realizing what is going to happen we also see Scotty in engineering being asked by a crew member about the order.
It’s a great scene.
So I like the dir edition more then the theatrical.
Many slightly different versions of the same scene, subtle changes like different camera angles.
One other observation, well two, V-Ger went to a Machine planet.
From the way Spock describes it seems like It May have found the original Borg planet.
Spock at one point while they are trying to escape V-Ger said something we’ve heard before.
Maybe not an exact quote but close, “To resist would be futile,” Very Familiar.
So I believe V found the Borg home planet.
Anyhow. Love ST:TMP Director Edition.
The dc of tmp is included as an extra on iTunes with the Star Trek films collection too.I really need to watch the DC again soon, but would have to buy the DVD again. I had it years ago with one of those sets of all the 2-disc special editions. I sold it when the blu rays came out. I only watched it the one time and honestly don’t remember how much of a difference it was.
I grew up on the “longer” version on LaserDisc, but most recently have been watching the theatrical cut on the blu ray. I’ve watched that maybe 4 or 5 times over the last 10 years. So maybe if I watch the other versions againI’ll discern the differences. I only really remember the “I weep for Vger” line of Spock’s near the end is missing in the theatrical.
I understand that they were constrained by a low budget, but I'm not a fan of the new effects. They take me out of the film, and I absolutely hate that they added that wide shot of the Vger exterior.I have taken a turn in my attitude towards the theatrical cut. The end result of the film is the same in either cut, but the journey is slightly different in the Directors Edition. The DE definitely made improvements to finish the effects that were not completed and there are slight editorial changes that fine tunes the flow and feel and character motivations in the film I want to see in a proper remastered edition. But while I like the new visuals that help show Vulcan as it was intended and the bridge that V’ger makes so Kirk and crew can walk out to meet V’Ger help a lot, it’s the slight fine tuning of the edit I think really makes a bigger difference...