Jonathan Perregaux
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If only... if only... oh, my God please do this for real...!
Tom St Jones said:As you know, over the past couple of years it's been predicted by several "authorities" here that Paramount is unlikely to spend much money restoring/ remastering the legacy Star Trek films...not even for the franchise's 50th anniversary next year.. This for a number of possible reasonable and/or ignorant reasons that have been intensely debated previously. Frankly, I wish Trek was an MGM property. Why? Say what some of us will about MGM's treatment of some of their other historic assets - "The Alamo" in particular - at least they treat their biggest cash cow right, as seen in their meticulous restoration of all or most of the James Bond catalog (including, of course, the classics "Goldfinger", "Dr. No", "Thunderball", "The Spy who Loved Me" etc.)
And I reiterate that the DE represents more what SharpLineArts wanted to see, and only partially reflects Wise's original intentions, as per interviews he gave at the time of the film's release. The book RETURN TO TOMORROW further supports this position indirectly, with interviews from 79 and 80 that make it seem like areas with major changes, like the sound effects, were among those that Wise liked best to begin with.Tom St Jones said:As I've said in the past, if Paramount has any respect at all for the wishes of the late Robert Wise, they must make the Director's Cut available in HD and/or Ultra HD at some point - even if it's only an upconvert of the DE DVD (of course, I certainly hope NOT) - as we all know it is meant to be the finalized version of the film.
Nelson Au said:I remember an interview with Deforest Kelley right before the filming began for TMP and he thought the film was going for a level of science fiction on par with 2001: A Space Odyssey. That might have been a bit of hyperbole, but I think they actually got close.
trevanian said:I'm always going to be irate about the DE because of the new sound mix and the wholly inadequate vfx (doubt I'd've liked many of them at higher rez, putting stuff like fireballs in vacuum of space in THIS particular trek movie is as wrongheaded as can be), so I actually gave it away when I got the blu-ray.
The piece of stock fireball (that probably came from the commercial CD-ROM that VCE offfered way back when) that they stuck into the end of the wormhole sequence. But you got me, I should have said 'a fireball' instead of 'fireballs.'Allansfirebird said:What fireballs are you talking about? If you're referring to the plasma-energy weapons V'ger fires in synchronous orbit around Earth, the effects done by Daren Dochterman, et al, are exactly the same as the original theatrical version. The only other fireballs in the movie were the originally-scripted version of the Klingon destruction at the beginning, but that was never used.
Josh Steinberg said:I really want the Special Longer Version on Blu-ray. I know it's considered "unfinished" by some and isn't a true director's cut, but it was the only version in print for many years and was the version I grew up on.
I would also be glad to have the DE on Blu.
There's another bit that was dropped in editing and isn't in any version that might have been a classic McCoy line. In sickbay after Spock has his little moment, Kirk is standing by McCoy shaking his head over the idea of a machine looking for its creator. The next line was McCoy saying something like, isn't that what all of us spend our lives doing? All us machines? Between this loss and Wise making the actor redub his chewing out of Kirk to sound a lot less angry, Kelley really wasn't too happy with what happened with McCoy on this, and I think this fueled his reluctance to do the second one, which he initially turned down based on the first script by Sowards (months pre-Meyer.)Nelson Au said:Hey Kevin, I agree with all your points obviously.
One thing you mentioned I totally forgot since I haven't seen the Special Longer version in ages. The scene when Decker mentions 'We all create God in our own image'. I have very little recollection of that line.
Funny after you posted, I found a script for TMP on-line dated 1978 and the dialogue in that scene is pretty similar and it includes that line from Decker. I also took a quick look at that scene from the Theatrical cut, and it wasn't there. So it must be in the deleted scenes. Perhaps Wise felt it was repetitive to leave it in. McCoy mentions V'ger trying to capture God and that V'ger was in for one hell of a disappointment. I'll check the DVD deleted scenes because now I'm really curious to see how that scene plays out for it to cause Kirk to confront the Illia probe.
AndyMcKinney said:Since the "Special Longer Version" was originally done for ABC-TV, does it even exist in theatrical OAR, or just 4:3? I suspect it would have to be re-assembled.
Josh Steinberg said:I guess it depends on whether they edited it on film and then did a telecine, or if they edited on tape. I'd almost think given that it was done very early 80s that it could have been cut on film.
They have all of the footage digitized in anamorphic SD at least, since it's all on the DE DVD. At this point I'd settle for an anamorphic widescreen SD version of the SLV.