johnnybear
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More proof if needed that this is not the TOS universe!
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No idea what you're talking about here.More proof if needed that this is not the TOS universe!
You don't speak Russian troll?No idea what you're talking about here.
Looks absolutely sick. Can't wait for the premiere.
It must be a temporary assignment.
I can't either, Hanson. Season 2 looks to be distilled Trek (the best possible sense).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but UESPA (not Starfleet) operated the Enterprise's five-year mission, right? Is it possible that Pike is running a limited-time UESPA mission? He could also be on detached duty (see, for example, Riker and crew of the D in TNG's Gambit).
Why did'nt craft just leave, the ship was operational as was the shuttle, it just didnt make alot of sense.
I don't see how Discovery is any more grimdark than DS9. Its first-season story arc was pretty much exactly the same as the Dominion War arc, philosophically -- the Federation is increasingly overpowered by a ruthless enemy, forced to compromise its ethics, until the point that the leaders are willing to go along with a villainous entity's plan to commit genocide, yet the lead characters refuse to let it happen, and find a way to reach out to an enemy leader and negotiate a ceasefire, thereby saving their society from itself and reaffirming the values they embody.My family is not happy with what CBS has done with Star Trek. Overall, Discovery has not worked for my family so far. We like the actors fine, and the special effects are great, but the setting, the stories, the grim tone and mood, the character arcs etc. just don't work for me or my family.
I don't see how Discovery is any more grimdark than DS9. Its first-season story arc was pretty much exactly the same as the Dominion War arc -- the Federation is increasingly overpowered by a ruthless enemy, forced to compromise its ethics, until the point that the leaders are willing to go along with a villainous entity's plan to commit genocide, yet the lead characters refuse to let it happen, and find a way to reach out to an enemy leader and negotiate a ceasefire, thereby saving their society from itself and reaffirming the values they embody.
If anything, it was *less* dark as a portrait of the UFP than the Dominion War was, because the primary sources of villainy came from the Mirror Universe, rather than via compromised Starfleet officers like Section 31. And Burnham, Saru, and the others repeatedly came down on the side of refusing to accept a moral compromise in a difficult situation, rather than grudgingly accepting one (or trying to) as Sisko did in "In the Pale Moonlight."
Many of the most effective and powerful moments in this recent season were moments where the characters stood up for what was right, reached out to one another, bonded as a crew, and found a better way. The only way in which DSC is darker than DS9 is in the strictly literal sense of set-lighting and color schemes, and they even found a (very nonsensical) Mirror Universe-based excuse for keeping the lights low.
The writers get it--it's a shame some viewers did not.
It sounds like you'll get what you want with the forthcoming Picard series at least.