- Jun 10, 2003
- Real Name
- Josh Steinberg
And then we get to dinner. Holy heck, I wanted to hide because that was the most brutal dinner scene I think Trek has ever done. Snarky, mean, angry, barely controlled hostility. It felt wrong o have a Trek crew do this to one another, but also very right. This crew has been through the ringer more than most and they are fraying at the seams. This was, again, the right thing for this episode, even if it was hard to watch.
Speaking of Trill...they're not my favorite species ever. Their whole problem with Adira, as far as I can tell, is she was a human host and unprepared for the joining. Sure, okay, got it. But we have at least two examples in Trill history (that Discovery doesn't know about) where humans made for a host: one temporary and one permanent. Will Riker in TNG's "The Host" and then Ezri between DS9's sixth and seventh season. Sure, they happened centuries in the past, but to exclude them from the conversation didn't feel right to me.
Agreed. It makes the dinner-scene in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country look like happy afternoon tea and cucumber-sandwiches in comparison.
One thing that helped me justify this plot point is that the Trill Symbiosis Commission was historically a bunch of liars. I assume they still are. They publicly stated that only one in a thousand Trills could be joined when, in fact, the rate is close to 50%. That lie appears to persist 900 years later. It's reasonable to assume that, in support of that lie, that the Trill powers-that-be would have expunged any reference to Riker's temporary hosting gig.
Ezri wasn't human. She was a Trill.But we have at least two examples in Trill history (that Discovery doesn't know about) where humans made for a host: one temporary and one permanent. Will Riker in TNG's "The Host" and then Ezri between DS9's sixth and seventh season. Sure, they happened centuries in the past, but to exclude them from the conversation didn't feel right to me.
In 2375, Ezri was an ensign serving as an assistant ship's counselor aboard the USS Destiny when it was dispatched to Deep Space 9 on a medical emergency – to carry the Dax symbiont back to Trill following the death of its previous host, Jadzia Dax. En route, the symbiont took a turn for the worse, and, as the only Trill aboard, though one who had decided against joining, Ezri had little choice but to undergo the joining procedure, with only a fifteen-minute lecture from the ship's non-Trill surgeon to prepare her.
But Riker's temporary hosting only brings forward the fact that humans couldn't properly bond with Trill symbionts. At least, as of the late 2360s.
I interpreted them saying that Human Trill connections don't work implied that there were prior (failed) attempts. Otherwise they would have said we don't know if they work.Fair. Thanks for reminding me...I had remembered Ezri as a human and not a Trill prior to joining.
Also fair. A quick line saying "we tried before and it didn't work" would have been more than enough to cover it in the episode, for me.
When did they say the lie?Again, I think what's being overlooked is the Trill Symbiosis Commission is a bunch of liars. They lied to their own people by saying only 1/1000 of all Trills could be joined. All to maintain the cultural power dynamic. It doesn't matter what has or hasn't worked in the past--the Trill will just lie. It's a rare instance of something in Star Trek not being a plot hole: it's just a species lying about its past!
And, judging by the condition we find Mirror Georgiou in at the end of the episode, he's playing a very Cronenberg-esque character -- some sort of mad scientist type, and perhaps the leader of Section 31 in the 32nd century....Holy crap, that was Cronenberg. This just made my whole freakin’ week.