Nelson Au
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A few random off the cuff thoughts after I rewatched part 2 of Such Sweet Sorrow.
There was a ton happening so a second viewing helped clarify and or helped me see things I missed the first time. The unexploded torpedo that lodges onto the Enterprise saucer section was in the briefing room. I had not noticed that. The large round windows in the front of the saucer show the location. The scale of the torpedo and location were off as the explosion took out a large section of the saucer. The briefing room is a lot smaller then the section missing in the saucer. So if Pike was behind the blast door, he’d be dead too because that whole area is gone. But this is often the way with movies. So I’m not loosing sleep over it.
Michael and Spock said that she has to go back in time to start the process of getting the red signals to appear. At that point in the battle, she was supposed to do that. It made more sense to me now as I never went for those chicken and the egg kind of loops. So she had to revisit all the places we saw during the season. The first stop was Terralysium. Burnham’s mother moved the humans there and Michael and Discovery’s crew found they later become a thriving world.
Burnham says that by sending the Discovery 950 years ahead, the plan is they could go to Terralysium. If I heard that right, then that’s a possible move the ship makes in the third season.
Again, I asked if they said in part one that the time crystals charge was only good for one jump into the future, how come the crystal was able to make all those jumps into the past? And still have enough juice to make the last jump 950 years ahead into the future? Maybe Burnham picked up a Mr. Fusion energy reactor from Doc Brown while on Terralysium?
What I’m still sorting out is that Burnham’s mother said in the future where Control AI wipes out all sentient life, Terralysium is a dead world. So she makes it her home base while she tried to reset the timeline. So now that Control AI is defeated, Terralysium and the rest of the galaxy should continue and is thriving.
So I’m conjecturing that Season Three will see the Discovery go to Terralysium. Maybe Michael will find her mom there. If Stamets survived, they could repair and use the Spore Drive to get back to Earth. If Starfleet is still around, they join the fleet and resume the exploration of space. Would Georgiou then re-join Section 31? Maybe she gets the Red Angel suit to work for her and comes back to the 23rd Century?
This likely means we won’t see any of the 23rd Century anymore. No Tyler, L’Rell, Pike or Spock.
I thought this was a neat and clean way to reset the series in the future and wipe out the first season’s setting. But I have been rethinking what I posted in the earlier post I made. Does this really undo Bryan Fuller’s intentions for the series?
I reviewed articles on Trekmovie during the time the series was in preproduction to remind myself of what Fuller said at the time. Fuller states he wants to do Star Trek like a novel, as a series of chapters. Each season is a chapter. He also wanted to change timelines during the run of the series, starting before Kirk’s time, up to and beyond Picard’s timeline. The series would not be an anthology and have regular characters. He also said he would not rule out seeing familiar characters. He is a fan of Star Trek 6 and sees the TOS episode Balance of Terror as a touchstone. It’s his favorite episode.
I actually watched Balance of Terror tonight as a companion episode to Such Sweet Sorrow as they are war episodes.
My take is Fuller’s view of Discovery is the war between the Federation and the Klingons is the Romulan War. He uses the Klingons instead of the Romulans to avoid canon issues as humans have never seen a Romulan before Kirk’s time.
Since Fuller’s departure, it seems a lot of what Fuller intended remained. The new show runners probably had little choice as so much was already developed by the time Fuller was ousted and Moonves wasn’t able to change anything either. So we got to see some familiar characters, Sarek and Amanda first. The first season did feel like a chapter with new characters Michael Burnham on track to become a starship captain serving with Captain Georgiou. And what a wild chapter as Burnham starts a Klingon War that leads to a court martial for her. But she is pulled out of jail to help Captain Lorca on the Discovery to end the war but ends up in the Mirror Universe. Season 2 started with another chapter as Michael is now a full Starfleet Officer again. And Captain Pike and Mr. Spock returns as we just saw a new chapter about the Red Angel. This ends with the Discovery moving to the future and it’s known existence is cleansed from the official books.
Season 3 will be another chapter with a new storyline. The series did start before Kirk’s time, we did see familiar characters and now we’ve moved ahead beyond Picard’s 24th Century. The writers are certainly free of the past and probably past any of Bryan Fuller’s input. The writers were able to do what Fuller intended and also use it as a way to move past it.
One other thing the producers said during the show’s development was to push boundaries and have a progressive message of hope and optimism for the future. The progressive stuff I felt wasn’t that progressive. What I was looking for in a real Star Trek series is the optimism and hope. I think all that was buried in the action and conflicts.
This series has been very dark. I think they wanted it to be that. But Star Trek isn’t always grave. I wanted to see humanity grow still and learn more about itself. I wanted to see mankind be humbled by aliens who show them what they could be. So this third season may be the way they can return to exploration and learning along with the fantastic.
There was a ton happening so a second viewing helped clarify and or helped me see things I missed the first time. The unexploded torpedo that lodges onto the Enterprise saucer section was in the briefing room. I had not noticed that. The large round windows in the front of the saucer show the location. The scale of the torpedo and location were off as the explosion took out a large section of the saucer. The briefing room is a lot smaller then the section missing in the saucer. So if Pike was behind the blast door, he’d be dead too because that whole area is gone. But this is often the way with movies. So I’m not loosing sleep over it.
Michael and Spock said that she has to go back in time to start the process of getting the red signals to appear. At that point in the battle, she was supposed to do that. It made more sense to me now as I never went for those chicken and the egg kind of loops. So she had to revisit all the places we saw during the season. The first stop was Terralysium. Burnham’s mother moved the humans there and Michael and Discovery’s crew found they later become a thriving world.
Burnham says that by sending the Discovery 950 years ahead, the plan is they could go to Terralysium. If I heard that right, then that’s a possible move the ship makes in the third season.
Again, I asked if they said in part one that the time crystals charge was only good for one jump into the future, how come the crystal was able to make all those jumps into the past? And still have enough juice to make the last jump 950 years ahead into the future? Maybe Burnham picked up a Mr. Fusion energy reactor from Doc Brown while on Terralysium?
What I’m still sorting out is that Burnham’s mother said in the future where Control AI wipes out all sentient life, Terralysium is a dead world. So she makes it her home base while she tried to reset the timeline. So now that Control AI is defeated, Terralysium and the rest of the galaxy should continue and is thriving.
So I’m conjecturing that Season Three will see the Discovery go to Terralysium. Maybe Michael will find her mom there. If Stamets survived, they could repair and use the Spore Drive to get back to Earth. If Starfleet is still around, they join the fleet and resume the exploration of space. Would Georgiou then re-join Section 31? Maybe she gets the Red Angel suit to work for her and comes back to the 23rd Century?
This likely means we won’t see any of the 23rd Century anymore. No Tyler, L’Rell, Pike or Spock.
I thought this was a neat and clean way to reset the series in the future and wipe out the first season’s setting. But I have been rethinking what I posted in the earlier post I made. Does this really undo Bryan Fuller’s intentions for the series?
I reviewed articles on Trekmovie during the time the series was in preproduction to remind myself of what Fuller said at the time. Fuller states he wants to do Star Trek like a novel, as a series of chapters. Each season is a chapter. He also wanted to change timelines during the run of the series, starting before Kirk’s time, up to and beyond Picard’s timeline. The series would not be an anthology and have regular characters. He also said he would not rule out seeing familiar characters. He is a fan of Star Trek 6 and sees the TOS episode Balance of Terror as a touchstone. It’s his favorite episode.
I actually watched Balance of Terror tonight as a companion episode to Such Sweet Sorrow as they are war episodes.
My take is Fuller’s view of Discovery is the war between the Federation and the Klingons is the Romulan War. He uses the Klingons instead of the Romulans to avoid canon issues as humans have never seen a Romulan before Kirk’s time.
Since Fuller’s departure, it seems a lot of what Fuller intended remained. The new show runners probably had little choice as so much was already developed by the time Fuller was ousted and Moonves wasn’t able to change anything either. So we got to see some familiar characters, Sarek and Amanda first. The first season did feel like a chapter with new characters Michael Burnham on track to become a starship captain serving with Captain Georgiou. And what a wild chapter as Burnham starts a Klingon War that leads to a court martial for her. But she is pulled out of jail to help Captain Lorca on the Discovery to end the war but ends up in the Mirror Universe. Season 2 started with another chapter as Michael is now a full Starfleet Officer again. And Captain Pike and Mr. Spock returns as we just saw a new chapter about the Red Angel. This ends with the Discovery moving to the future and it’s known existence is cleansed from the official books.
Season 3 will be another chapter with a new storyline. The series did start before Kirk’s time, we did see familiar characters and now we’ve moved ahead beyond Picard’s 24th Century. The writers are certainly free of the past and probably past any of Bryan Fuller’s input. The writers were able to do what Fuller intended and also use it as a way to move past it.
One other thing the producers said during the show’s development was to push boundaries and have a progressive message of hope and optimism for the future. The progressive stuff I felt wasn’t that progressive. What I was looking for in a real Star Trek series is the optimism and hope. I think all that was buried in the action and conflicts.
This series has been very dark. I think they wanted it to be that. But Star Trek isn’t always grave. I wanted to see humanity grow still and learn more about itself. I wanted to see mankind be humbled by aliens who show them what they could be. So this third season may be the way they can return to exploration and learning along with the fantastic.
