Star Ceilings... Painted vs. Fiber optics

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  1. nightsky

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    Thanks for the comments and the questions... I will need to be a little quicker with my answers to you. I am already way over the time I had to answer these questions... but I don't want to leave any unanswered.




    Lucky man!




    Again... lucky man. To have his wife consider doing this for him... wow! The star ceiling would be a nice addition to that room. Remember, though, that when he is watching TV that the stars will be washed out and not as visible. So, if he wants to see stars while he is watching TV... then he will either need to turn on a Black Light, or go with Fiber Optics.




    Can be very expensive and they aren't even as realistic... or romantic.







    It might be easier for you to do... but not if you were going to have someone paint it for you. plus, to get everything to look right, it is better to have everything where it will be in the end. In other words, to get everything to match up... the wall paper being put up after it is painted is not the best option.


    Paint... as far as glow paint? Glowinc has good paint, as does Ready Set Glow... and I can help you out with some of my paint too. The stencil that is very basic, yet one of the better ones on the market (I will say that I am close to hang a high-end stencil ready to market. Hopefully by the end of the year) is called the "Night Sky" stencil and it is made by Ursa Major. so, just Google Night Sky stencil and Ursa Major and you will find a lot of outlets that will sell it to you.

    Also, if you will contact me, I can help you with some other pointers that might help you.




    Black lights yes. Rope black lights, no. The rope light just does't do it. You need the tube ones for now... but I am looking into some other possible lights that might be just as good. IF you have room for a soffit that comes down from the ceiling at least 12 inches... then that would be nice. IF not, then just get a light that you can throw in the middle of the room for 10 minutes and that should charge the stars up... then put is somewhere out of the way where the light can still hit the paint and make it fluoresce.


     
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    Thanks for the comments and the questions... I will need to be a little quicker with my answers to you. I am already way over the time I had to answer these questions... but I don't want to leave any unanswered.




    Lucky man!




    Again... lucky man. To have his wife consider doing this for him... wow! The star ceiling would be a nice addition to that room. Remember, though, that when he is watching TV that the stars will be washed out and not as visible. So, if he wants to see stars while he is watching TV... then he will either need to turn on a Black Light, or go with Fiber Optics.




    Can be very expensive and they aren't even as realistic... or romantic.







    It might be easier for you to do... but not if you were going to have someone paint it for you. plus, to get everything to look right, it is better to have everything where it will be in the end. In other words, to get everything to match up... the wall paper being put up after it is painted is not the best option.


    Paint... as far as glow paint? Glowinc has good paint, as does Ready Set Glow... and I can help you out with some of my paint too. The stencil that is very basic, yet one of the better ones on the market (I will say that I am close to hang a high-end stencil ready to market. Hopefully by the end of the year) is called the "Night Sky" stencil and it is made by Ursa Major. so, just Google Night Sky stencil and Ursa Major and you will find a lot of outlets that will sell it to you.

    Also, if you will contact me, I can help you with some other pointers that might help you.




    Black lights yes. Rope black lights, no. The rope light just does't do it. You need the tube ones for now... but I am looking into some other possible lights that might be just as good. IF you have room for a soffit that comes down from the ceiling at least 12 inches... then that would be nice. IF not, then just get a light that you can throw in the middle of the room for 10 minutes and that should charge the stars up... then put is somewhere out of the way where the light can still hit the paint and make it fluoresce.


     
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    Dan, sorry... I just saw your message.
    To answer you , it might be better to talk with you on the phone. A short answer here will not help you, or your client. You can either contact me on my website or
    text me at 801.599.9836
    Remind me that you are the artist from the home Theater Forum that is painting a ceiling for your client... and I will remember you . Then if I have time I can call and walk you through what you are needing, or we can text.
    Hope this helps...
    Jeff
    Night Sky Murals
     
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    Hi Rose... I am located in Salt Lake City... but work everywhere, but here. Are you asking what I charge to paint the murals or to train someone to paint them?
    And, you can find paint online from a few places. I have mentioned a couple places already in a few other answers I've done tonight. You can also contact me from my website. If I don't answer right away... keep after me and I will eventually get back with you.
    Jeff
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    For those who are either going to do a "painted" DIY star ceiling, or have one painted by someone else, and are wondering about lights to charge up the paint... I have found that certain LED lights actually will charge up the paint. In past research with an LED company, nothing would do much to charge up the paint. BUt, the LED's that came in a cheap Black Light flashlight... does a great job at charging the paint, and also works well with fluorescent paints (that only show up under a black light).
    I have seen black lights in heavy panels that are available, but it would be great if they came in strips of different sizes that could be connected together. If anyone has seen anything like that... that would be a good thing to share with others in this thread. I'm still not sure they are powerful enough to reach way out on a ceiling... but a 21 LED and a 53 LED flashlight charged part of a mural that I tested them on over 12 feet away. So... this is promising.
    Jeff
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    Very cool, but I wouldn't want the ceiling lit like that while watching a movie.
     
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    From all the photos I have seen your work looks the best. Do you ever get up to Canada? Im in Calgary and would definately be interested in having you paint a night sky in a theatre room we are currently constructing. If not is there someone you can recommend up here? If you cant recommend anyone up north can you tell me the stencil company that you recommend using and I might give it a go myself? Thanks for all the info and expertise that you share with us. Steve.
     
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    That's not a problem. The stars react like the real stars and usually disappear from the light of the movie. For those who do want to see stars, they usually need to turn on black lights so the stars will fluoresce. With the room totally dark, the stars glow for hours.
     
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    Hi Steve. I do, in fact, get up to Canada. I was just up near Toronto a month ago... so not a problem. I've gotten an email recently from someone in Calgary. Was that you? I'll look it up tomorrow. If it wasn't you, please email me and we can discuss what you're looking for. You can also send me a message from www.NightSkyMurals.comI'll try to help you in any way I can.Jeff
     
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    Hi again Alta4444... You asked a while back about me painting up there in Canada (which I have and do), referring someone, or telling you about stencils to use. I'm not sure if I have painted for you, or not, or what has happened since I am always traveling... but, I thought that I'd let you know that I have my new stencils ready finally (after 8 years). If you are still wanting to do a night sky mural on your ceiling, then get in touch with me and I will let you know about them. I still need to have my own tools made, but what I am including in the kits are about the same as I will be having made.

    Email me at [email protected] and tell me you saw me on this forum. I'm not really promoting them yet, but allowing people from this forum and another couple get the first ones while I am having the boxes and tools made.

    Jeff

     
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    In another group, where I've posted this same thread... a lot of people have asked about the best lights to use to charge the paint in the murals. For years I have been asked about LED UV lights, or which tube black lights are the best to use. So, for those of you who've had a star mural painted by someone, painted one yourself, or plan to... hopefully this will help.

    Sunlight is the best light source for charging up glow paint... but the problem is that most theater rooms are squirreled away into a dark corner of the home with no windows in them to create a dark space to enjoy movies. But, even if your star mural is in a bedroom with lots of windows in it to allow light to enter... the problem with that is that the sun goes down way too slowly you to see the mural with a full charge. The reason is that the glow paint is at it's brightest during the first 10 minutes (after the light source is taken away. It drops quickly during those few minutes, then slowly fades over the next 8-10 hours. Because the sun slowly sets, then the evening light slowly fades... any charge that your ceiling got from the sunlight has faded a lot and will need charging again by the time the room is dark enough to enjoy the mural.

    But, any fluorescent light will charge your paint too, though not as instantly as sunlight. Anything from white CFL bulbs in a lamp, to powerful tube black lights to LED UV lights will all do the job.

    I usually suggest black lights, when they are convenient, because they don't cause your eyes to close up like white light does... and a person will see the mural that much quicker if their eyes are already adapting to the dark. But, a white CFL bulb will also charge up the paint nicely. In fact, I have a ceiling fan in my bedroom that has 4 lights under it (real light bulbs, not those useless candelabras) that I have put 4 CFL bulbs in. Then, while I am getting ready for bed, the lights are on and charging the paint. When the lights go out, the ceiling disappears and the night sky replaces it. Then, I peacefully drift off to sleep under a night sky that is reminiscent of a very remote night sky on a moonless night. All with white CFL bulbs.

    But, I still like black lights for charging the paint. Especially in home theaters. So... here are some options. For those in countries that only sell black lights that don't block out the white light (I swear it true)... then you can try having them shipped in, or just go with CFL bulbs.

    OK, so black lights.

    You can get good black lights almost anywhere, though they can sometimes be a little difficult to find. When I travel to paint, I put a small, 18" black light in my bag. I got a basic under the cabinet fluorescent light at Home Depot and then went to a different section of the store and bought an 18" black light tube. Then I just switched out the white fluorescent tube for the black light. Sure the white light would work, but if I used the white light... I'd then have to wait a few minutes for my eyes to open up again to see in the dark (I paint in total darkness).

    For everyone else, you can go with larger, stronger black lights.

    First, I'd suggest checking out the local Spencers stores. I've never seen a Spencers, but I have heard that name thrown around enough by my customers to know that they must have a lot of stores out there... and I know that they carry black lights. And, from what I understand, they are reasonably priced. I'm sure there are other stores like Spencers, but I have only heard Spencers name thrown around.

    Another option would be to order online. There are 3 online retailers that I have experience with and who I generally suggest to my customers. They are...

    www.Blacklight.com (Lots of options)

    www.WildFireFX.com (The UltraRail lights are what most customers get... and are very pricey - A 4' light is $90/each)

    www.SlimFluorescent.com (Similar to WildFire, but it sometimes takes having them replace a few lights before you have all lights working. but, they are about half the price of Wildfire)

    And, an option that I have been asked about for years are LED UV lights. I have purchased 40' (the size of a room in my office with a mural) of LED lights over the years, hoping that they would work. None ever charged the paint light the fluorescent lights did (white or black). Then a few years ago I painted a really fun mural in Seattle. It was a round room with a domed ceiling. The customers had installed LED UV lights around the room. I told him not to get his hopes up because I have never found lights that did much to charge the paint. Well, I was blown away with those lights. Not only did they charge the paint... but they charged them as well as the tube black lights.

    I tracked down the wholesaler and asked if I could get a sample. I had to be set up as a reseller (which I don't want to do) and then they sent me 3' of lights to test out. I laid the 3' across my bed and left the lights on for about 10 minutes to charge up the cathedral ceiling in my bedroom. Holy Cow!!!! Those 3' charged the entire ceiling in a way I haven't seen in years. Those 3' did better than 4 CFL bulbs.

    So, there are LED UV lights that will also work to charge glow paint if that's what you are looking for. I've heard from customers that they have gotten lucky and found LED lights that worked well, while others have spent hundreds only to have the lights not work well.

    So, I guess that I would still suggest going with the tube black lights if they will work in your room. If you absolutely have to have LED lights, then you can contact me and I will try to help you out.

    There are multiple ways to charge up your ceiling, but whatever you do... have a star ceiling painted, or paint it yourself. They are so fun to relax under.

    Hope this helps someone!

    Jeff
     

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