SPOILERS: Teddy KGB's (Malkovich) "tell" in ROUNDERS?

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  1. BrianKM

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    What was the deal with the Oreos - was it which side the frosting stuck to or whether the chocolate part broke or what?

    "I feel so unsateesefied."
     
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    I thought it was whether or not he actually ate it or just played with it. When Damen "catches" his tell, I thought it was because he twists the cookie apart but then puts it back together and sets it down.
     
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    It's been awhile, but I remember it as Charles describes it.
     
  4. Greg Smith

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    Haven't seen it in a while, but wasn't the tell which ear he brought the delicious Oreo up to?

    Soooo delicious.

    Anyhoots, "Teddy" is one of my all-time favorite characters. Perfectly played. "I heff the Ace."
     
  5. AbelM

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    I also remember it as Charles is, it's whether he ate it or not, I believe... [​IMG]
    I haven't seen it in a while, but loved this flick...
    I also thought KGB was a great role player in the film.
     
  6. Vince Maskeeper

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    I thought the whole point was he listened to it when he popped it open.
    He did that only those two times in the film, it was like an extremely exaggerated move-- they called tons of attention to it the second time (close-ups from 2 angles, drastic change in music tone, Matt looks at KGB when he does it and his eyes narrow), I thought that was supposed to be the tell.
    It couldn't be which side the frosting was on- as KGB would have no control over that (the mystic gods of cookies and poker secretly signaled to Matt Damon if KGB had a good hand by which half the icing stuck to??)
    It wasn't just splitting the cookie- he split the cookie once or twice, and yet folded afterwards: the split wasn't the tell that indicate a strong hand, I thought it was when he held it to his ear...
    Don't think it was whether he ate a cookie or not- I thought he ate cookies a few times in each of the rounds they showed, thought he crunched several of them in the course of the film. Although Damion's voice-over aludes to the eating of the cookies ("I could have let Teddy go on chewing those oreos till he was dead broke")- I thought the tell was the listening.
    Here's the first game (when he didn't have Spades, he had aces):
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    Then he does the same again in the last game, and Mike "Lays down a monster 2 pair" because Teddy's tell gave away his hand:
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    Seems like the "tell" was the move where he held the cookie up to his ear, a cocky gesture celebrating that he had a strong hand. That's what gave him away, that was his little tick- he covered his excitement by obsessing with the cookie.
    Matt folded his "monster hand" as a result of KGB's tell at the end of the film (he learned from the first time KGB suckered him in with the 3 aces), and saved himself from losing everything to KGB's strong hand (a hand KGB "gave away" because of his tell).
    -V
     
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    You didn't like the film Vince Maskeeper?? [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    I thought the tell was when KGB brought it up to his ear and then he would twist it, I think the time when KGB folded he only brought the cookie up in front of him and then put it back.
     

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