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I agree that I’d like to see Shang-Chi 2 sooner rather than later, but giving Cretton this assignment is a huge validation of his work, and recognition of his talents. While I’m sad about the delay for Shang-Chi (I still think it will happen), I’m glad Spider-Man 4 is in good hands.
 

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I agree that I’d like to see Shang-Chi 2 sooner rather than later, but giving Cretton this assignment is a huge validation of his work, and recognition of his talents.
What troubles me is that this is not the first time Marvel has attached Cretton to something else. The same thing could be said about The Kang Dynasty, which Cretton was also attached to direct. They don't seem very interested in Shang-Chi 2, even though the first one is their biggest new character film since Endgame.

I have been a big fan of Destin Daniel Cretton since before he came to Marvel. I believe that Cretton can make a good Spider-Man film. But Sam Raimi, Marc Webb and Jon Watts have all done that in the live-action series. So I don't believe that Cretton is the only person who can make a good Spider-Man film. I don't see why he needs to be doing this instead of Shang-Chi unless Disney really isn't interested in making Shang-Chi.
 

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It seems apparent that Shang-Chi isn’t a priority for Marvel. I wish that weren’t so, but obviously Spider-Man is a bigger deal for them, their deal with Sony and however many films they get to feature Tom Holland in.
 

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Maybe they don’t have a good script for Shang-Chi 2 (arguably the weakest point of the first film) and are now putting the effort into quality control to ensure they don’t make a subpar film that hurts at the box office. Perhaps the character has a paradigm shifting role in the next Avengers film that’s requiring them to wait until that film’s completion to move on. Perhaps some or all of the cast have prior obligations that have created scheduling issues. There are surely a bunch of plausible reasons other than “Marvel doesn’t care.” It’s not likely that we’ll know which is true until a new film is announced, if at all.
 

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New details for ‘SPIDER-MAN 4’ have reportedly been revealed:•

Multiple symbiotes will appear in the film.•

There is a strong possibility that Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield show up in the film.•

The film is leaning slightly towards a cosmic storyline rather than street-level.

 

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Avengers: Doomsday is in May 2026, which puts the new Spider-Man in between Doomsday and Secret Wars the following year.

That date is one week after Universal is releasing Christopher Nolan's film which Tom Holland is also appearing in.

I hope Tom Holland will have some time to sleep next year, because it seems like he's going to be very busy filming all three of these.

This also raises a question about the availability of premium screens for Spider-Man, considering that it is coming a week after a Nolan film which will almost certainly be filmed with cameras and cooperation from IMAX.
 
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I’m surprised Sony was able to be persuaded to wait as long as they did. They have been doing Spider-Man films every 2-3 years since 2002. This one will hit theaters more than 4 1/2 years after the last. I think that’s a good thing, but the Sony people are probably antsy.

Also, seeing how it’s coming so soon after a big crossover film, I think the chances of a street-level movie are small. Which is too bad, because I really wanted to see a movie featuring the Kingpin and Daredevil.
 

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I’m surprised Sony was able to be persuaded to wait as long as they did. They have been doing Spider-Man films every 2-3 years since 2002. This one will hit theaters more than 4 1/2 years after the last. I think that’s a good thing, but the Sony people are probably antsy.

Also, seeing how it’s coming so soon after a big crossover film, I think the chances of a street-level movie are small. Which is too bad, because I really wanted to see a movie featuring the Kingpin and Daredevil.

I forget the details of the contract Sony has with Marvel, but I'm assuming the Spiderverse animated films featuring Miles Morales allows them to maintain that contract with regards to releasing Spider-man films every 2-3 years. Or do the Venom films, Madame Web, Morbius and Kraven also fulfil that?
 

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I think when Sony and Disney struck a new deal for No Way Home, one of the things that changed from that negotiation was that they did away with that contract provision for having to release films frequently to keep the rights.
 

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they did away with that contract provision for having to release films frequently to keep the rights.
You are essentially right, but it wasn't for No Way Home. The "ticking clock" arrangement where Sony would lose the rights due to inactivity was removed when Sony and Disney made the deal to put Spider-Man in the MCU. It was long enough ago that I don't remember where I read this, but I remember reading it. Disney conceded that to Sony in order to share the character for Civil War and the Avengers films.

I think Sony just wanted the Tom Holland trilogy to come out every two years from 2017-21 because Spider-Man is their most valuable franchise and they wanted to keep it rolling.

Although I don't have any insider information, it makes sense that Holland's fourth film would take longer to come together for a variety of reasons. It seems likely that the core cast was probably contracted for a trilogy, plus Holland for the crossover films. If that is the case, Sony needed to work out new contracts for everyone. I don't think Holland's return was ever really in doubt, but he is almost certainly getting paid more for a fourth one, as he should. Zendaya and Jacob Batalon probably get raises too. Holland and Zendaya have both been doing other things too, and scheduling is probably a factor. The length of the necessary dual strikes last year probably slowed things down.

Also, Jon Watts is not returning as director. It probably took Sony and Disney a while to settle on his successor. They are going with Destin Daniel Cretton. Cretton was working on The Kang Dynasty until that fell apart. It seems like Marvel probably started conversations with him about Spider-Man after Kang was reconfigured into Doomsday. Cretton wouldn't have been able to be considered for Spider-Man if Kang had worked out differently. The two films (Avengers 5 and Spider-Man) are coming out in the same summer, so it was obviously one or the other for Cretton. We know that Downy would only return with the Russos. Offering Cretton the chance to do Spider-Man instead makes sense (except for Shang-Chi, but that's another issue.)

All of these things taken together account for the gap between films easily. Sometimes things just take longer to come together. I'm sure Sony would have liked it sooner if they could have made it happen sooner.
 
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Like I said, I think the longer period between films is a good thing. You want the audience to crave a Spider-Man appearance. Here’s an example: Prior to Homecoming (2017), my wife had her fill of Spider-Man movies. “Another one?” she’d say, but Tom Holland won her over with his appearance in Civil War, and the first solo film was so good that we all wanted to see more of him. (FWIW she says the same thing about Batman.)
 

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Amy Pascal: “We have to deal with the fact that he decided he was going to give up being Peter Parker and he was going to focus on being Spider-Man because being Peter Parker was too hard. So that’s what the movie is about.”

 
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I’m glad Kevin Feige is involved because I don’t have any faith in Amy Pascal to produce a good story.
 

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I’m glad Kevin Feige is involved because I don’t have any faith in Amy Pascal to produce a good story.
I think that's selling Pascal a little short. She doesn't have a perfect track record and she has been involved in some bad movies before. But the same is true for Kevin Feige and practically any big player in Hollywood. She has also contributed to some great movies that did not involve Feige at all.

Pascal produced Into the Spider-Verse and Across the Spider-Verse without Feige and those are both amazing. Across is better than anything Maevel/Feige put out last year. She was also a producer of Challengers, which isn't Spider-Man but is one of my favorite movies of the year. Some of her other highly acclaimed credits include Greta Gerwig's version of Little Women, The Post with Steven Spielberg and Molly's Game with Aaron Sorkin.

The quote I pulled out of that interview sounds very encouraging to me as far as this film's story, and it makes sense as a followup considering where they left No Way Home. It almost seems like a decades-later inverse of Raimi's Spider-Man 2, which is interesting.
 
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I’m glad Kevin Feige is involved because I don’t have any faith in Amy Pascal to produce a good story.
I trust Pascal a lot more than Tom Rothman.

Here we go with this again.

I really, really, really hope that they don't bring Maguire and Garfield back in this. It worked for No Way Home because it had never been done before and there was a story worth telling. I wouldn't mind seen them pop up again in Secret Wars. But Holland's Spidey deserves his own movie. Just repeating what worked the last time isn't a recipe for long-term success.
 

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Just repeating what worked the last time isn't a recipe for long-term success.
Part of the reason No Way Home worked so well for me is because it gave closure to Maguire and Garfield's versions of Peter. Neither one of them had that before because their final solo films were not originally intended to be their final films. Although I very much appreciated seeing them again in No Way Home, I think that film completed their stories. I would be satisfied with where No Way Home ended things for them if we never see them again. If they do come back for something in the future, it would need to be equally substantial or it's not worth doing. I don't want them to pop by for a quick cameo.

No Way Home set up Holland's Peter as being very much alone at the end of that story. If Maguire and/or Garfield come back, that will give Holland's Peter companionship. I think it will be more interesting to see what Holland's Peter does when he doesn't have other people to lean on for support. Amy Pascal said, "We have to deal with the fact that he decided he was going to give up being Peter Parker and he was going to focus on being Spider-Man because being Peter Parker was too hard. So that’s what the movie is about.” I don't think bringing Maguire and/or Garfield back at this point would serve that story.

I also think Andrew Garfield deserves to have a career where he can do press interviews for other projects and not have to get interrogated about future Spider-Man movies for the rest of his life. He was a wonderful Peter, and it's great that he feels the love for his version of the character. But he has more to offer the world as an actor than just doing that again.

It worked for No Way Home because it had never been done before
The fact that it has been done before is also why Garfield would have less reason to lie about it for this movie. Obviously, he can't say anything Sony doesn't want him to say. But because they've done it before, bringing Maguire and Garfield back wouldn't really be a surprise anymore. They would simply be showing up in a direct sequel to another movie in which they showed up. So it wouldn't be worth all of the extra effort from last time to hide their participation. Sony actually demonstrated some restraint last time by not including them in the trailers. But next time I think the marketing team would go ahead and use them in the marketing if they do make an appearance.

We know that Doomsday and Secret Wars will involve the multiverse because they are serving as the culmination of the "multiverse saga." Because Spider-Man is being released in between the two, I assume that there must be some sort of connectivity between the projects. But I would be perfectly happy if this is just a single universe Spider-Man story involving Tom Holland and some new villain in the primary MCU timeline. Frankly, I'd welcome a breather from the multiverse in between the two Avengers films.
 
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