"Spider-man 3" becomes the best selling Blu-ray title with 130,000 copies sold (1 Viewer)

[Vincent_P]

Why do folks take Sony's 130,000 figure to be the absolute truth, and yet refuse to believe Paramount's 190,000 number? Why not wait and see what the "real" Sony numbers are as reported by the same folks who reported the supposed 115,000 TRANSFORMERS numbers before this gets written off as DEFINITELY 130,000 vs. 115,000? Since we're dealing with numbers from the studio at this point, I think it would be fair to state them as such- 130,000 SPIDERMAN 3 BDs vs. 190,000 TRANFORMERS HD-DVDs. When the sources that put the lower TRANSFORMERS figure out report their SPIDERMAN 3 numbers, then we can compare that to the 115,000 figure.

Vincent

 

[Douglas Monce]

I would have bought the boxed set if the first two films had at least the extras that are on the SD releases. So at this point I'll wait for a release that Sony puts a little more effort into.

Doug

 

[Sanjay Gupta]

You are absolutely right about the fact that one studio is as good as the other with the truth and they all spin the stories to suit themselves. Just like any other corporation does, I would imagine. But the reason why I am more inclined to believe the Sony figures is, that firstly, after what happened with the Paramount and Transformers' sales figures, Sony would be aware that their numbers will be far more scrutnized than normal. Secondly, Sony has explicitly stated their estimated 'sales' figures (130,000) seperately from the 'shipped to retail' figures (400,000) which is something that Paramount has still not done till date, ie. clarify the actual 'sales' seperated from 'shipped to retail' figures. Sony has also clarified at the very outset, that the pre-bundled copies with the PS3 are not included in either of the two stated figures. The only thing that Sony has not clarified, is whether their 'sales' figures include the box set sales. By the way, based on murmurs on the net, Spiderman 3 may have sold an additional estimated 50,000 copies as part of the boxed set, which would bring the actual 'sales' total to, a whopping 180,000 copies sold. But for the purposes of this thread, atleast until more definitive figures are known, we shall consider only the official estimated figures, which is 130,000 copies sold. We should also, until clarified by Sony to be otherwise, consider this 'sales' figure to be inclusive of the box set copies. For I would think, that Sony would have the sense and inclination to have automatically done so.

 

[ReggieW]

It certainly comes as a shock to no one that you're more inclined to believe Sony's figures.

 

[Sanjay Gupta]

Thanks for the wonderfully constructive and substantially informative post.

 

[ReggieW]

Indeed. Straight and to the point.

 

[MarekM]

from posts from different forums, it seems like boxset numbers are not included, but hopefully we will be able to check that with today's numbers

One logical reason is that there were people buying boxset just for par 1 and 2, which was the only way to get them, so SONY can't use boxset numbers to inflate overall Spiderman3 numbers...

and we will know for sure if SONY did same mistake as Paramount or not, Nielsen and Videoscan will hopefully put more light to the numbers....., because there could be from 50k to 70k additional boxset numbers...

Marek

 

[Cees Alons]

Are Nielsen/VideoScan numbers in already?


Cees

 

[ppltd]

No. My guess is this will be akin to the Casino Royale numbers Sony dropped hyped. Two weeks after it's release the 100,000 Sony number turned into 40,000 Nielsen number.

 

[Dennis Maricic]

Found it interesting that Paramount was brought to task for their Transformers sales figures while Sony sailed through with their erroneous Casino Royal numbers. Seems to me that there is a bit of a double standard being applied.

 

[MarekM]

not yet Cees

Marek

 

[MarekM]

I think, there were a lot of TALKS about CR numbers, because not long after they were out - it turned up that those are SHIPPED and not SOLD numbers...

Marek

 

[Dennis Maricic]

Yes, there was debate in the forums. But I can't recall if the media picked it up like how they have with Paramount and Transformers. At the time Sony behaved the same way as Paramount is now and did not clarify their numbers.

 

[Brandon Conway]

Actually, Sony DID clarify their numbers, and explicitly stated that the CR numbers were the shipped numbers.

In the case of SM#, they've explicitly stated that the 130K number is the sold numbers, with 400K being the shipped number.

What they have not made clear is how the box set works into these numbers. One thing that suggest they haven't included the box set is that it has a different SKU.

We'll see soon enough.

 

[ReggieW]

Honestly, Warner's 300 numbers were smaller than the Nielsen numbers as well, but no one said anything about this at the time, nor has Warner contested Paramounts 190,000 Transformers figure, which Paramount continues to stand by. The Nielsen numbers are always smaller than the actual studios numbers because the Nielsen system simply does not account for all vendors/retailers. I do not think studios on either side are attempting to spin numbers in the manner that some here believe, it's just that they have different systems at their disposal of acquiring date on how much they actually sold. I am sure the Nielsen SD-DVD numbers are probably always smaller than the studio provided numbers as well. This only seems to have so much significance here because the dueling HD formats are engaged in a PR campaign to prove their side is selling better. If there was no war, I doubt anyone here would care all that much about the Nielsen data.

 

[John Berggren]

The 130k sold appears to be a SOLD through figure for the single unit only. With an additional 93000 copies of the trilogy sold for a total of 223k units Spider-man 3 sold in any blu ray format in the week.

 

[Jarod M]

What evidence do you have about that? For this to be true, Transformers would have had to sell 40,000. I consider that to be extremely unlikely, considering what Nielsen has reported in previous weeks. Don't you think that Sony would have mentioned the sales of the set being 93,000, if the 130k did not include the set's number?

 

[Brandon Conway]

Well, Jarod, let's look at the numbers provided in the other thread:

HMM Nov 11 - 17, 2007

BD / HD
71 / 29 W
64 / 36 Y
61 / 39 SI

1 Spidey 3 BD 100
2 Spidey Trilogy BD 71.95
3 Transformers HD 31.42
4 Meet the Robinsons BD 8.82
5 300 BD 6.56

Top 10
BD:9
HD:1

Now, for every 100 SM3 sold, 72 SM Trilogy sets were sold. Additionally, for every 100 SM3 sold, 32 Transformers were sold.

If Sony's 130k number is accurate, and it doesn't include the Trilogy, that means the numbers are the following:

SM3 - 130k
SMT - 93k
TF - 41k

However, if Sony's 130k number is SM3 and SMT combined, then the numbers are as follows:

SM3 - 76k
SMT - 54k
TF - 24k

Yep, Transformers numbers go down from 41k to 24k if the SM number of 130k is both the SM3 and SMT releases. After all, we're talking about a ratio as compared to SM3 (100:32).

I think the 130k number being just the SM3 release and not the SMT is much more likely. Otherwise, all the numbers are simply way too low, IMO.

Of course, this is all based on 1) Sony's SM3 sales claim, 2) Videoscan/Nielson numbers. One or both could be inaccurate. Right now, it's the best we have to go by.

As far as Transformers going down to 41k - well, it's the third week. That's pretty damn good for the third week. Plus, it should have a good 4th week due to the HD-DVD players sold at the end of the 3rd week, though some of those are surely part of the 3rd week 41k numbers. Remember, there are only 500k HD-DVD players out there in the US right now. Transformers has been sold to HALF the owners. That's a great attach rate for 3 weeks!

 

[troy evans]

A great many people believed Spider-Man films to be Bluray's holy grail. Seems they were right. You can only expect the Spidey numbers to keep growing through the holidays. Don't forget Pirates 3. Bad film or not, it'll still sell like hotcakes come December. Bluray's lead should carry them through to 2008. Not to discount Transformers success.

 

[MarekM]

replay from paidgeek to our question:
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.ph...postcount=5693


then we have these numbers...

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.ph...postcount=4510

1. Spider-Man 3 (BD) 75,605
2. Spider-Man: The High Definition Trilogy (BD) 54,395
3. Transformers (HD-DVD) 23,755
4. Meet the Robinsons (BD) 6,668
5. 300 (BD) 4,960
6. Fantastic Four 2: Rise of the Silver Surfer (BD) 3,803
7. Lincense to Wed (BD) 3,206
8. The Shining (BD) 3,107
9. Mr. Brooks (BD) 3,047
10. 2001: A Space Oddysey (BD) 2,933